Forum
So is this is how it really works?
|
woodcubed wrote
at 5:17 AM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST
I just read the post by Fiero600. Suffice it to say I find it most revealing. Not the part about people abusing moderator status... not the pga crap at higher level tables... not any of that. I knew all of that. Now, for me, I am a casual player, I have never placed, I have my share of people who say they hate me but probably don't remember me. Really I am just mediocre at this game I figured. Yes, I have had a kdice account, the same and only account since I first signed up for this game in its first year, and I have maybe once gotten to the 5,000 tables Honestly i only try to get points so I can escape the zero tables and for really no other reason. So what is this post about? I will tell you.
Fiero600 says in his goodbye post that the luck for an individual player is affected by whether you have an account. If this is true, I need to think long and hard about whether I should even bother playing. This whole post is a response to this idea, and if it is not true that luck is a manipulated figure, please disabuse me of the notion. I don't spend any time usually in this forum so I would not know if this had come up before. You see I had thought luck was simply an accounting of how you did, not a variable in the equation itself. Do you know how much stress it causes me, and to other players I am sure, to lose and lose and lose even when I darn well better know the strategy by now? How I will lose, on my first turn, every single attack, even 5v2, and be killed off instantly before the game has even begun? And this is not to say that can''t happen, but seriously. I always figured there was some random number generator somewhere combined with my own mistakes but if there is a thumb on the scale then is there is no point to any of my effort is there? And do I even want to pay to get an advantage over other players that would amount to cheating? In most games with paid perks, you get some magic armor, or a points boost, or another helping hand. But if it is true that paid subscribers get BETTER LUCK or heck even just a privileged few, than what you are telling me is more equivalent to paying not for a stat boost but instead to paying someone to give your opponents a handicap. I play this game because i figured it was a game of strategy mixed with luck and a way to procrastinate occasionally. But apparently it is a game of fixed statistics and politics. I don't care what goes on at the top of the leader boards. I don't care how rampant the cheating is up in the clouds, and I don't give a crap about point boosts for people who pay for them (because they paid so they should get what is advertised). The only thing i care about, or rather, the only thing i get worked up about, is a basic fairness that comes from true random probability. And if there isn't that one thing, that one most essential component to a game about and centered on the rolling of DICE, then there is no point to any of this, you have causing me small bursts of massive stress for the last 5 YEARS, and I think that anyone who would implement such a system of punishment is a lousy sadist, and ought to be ashamed as a maker of games. If this is true. And please, tell me I am wrong, if i am, because part of me right now sitting here, writing this wants this not to be true, does not wish to believe that i have spent 5 YEARS as the pawn of a sadistic PLOT to provide entertainment for, as fiero600 again so kindly reveals, a "cabal" of special people. This is not about me though, this is about ALL of the people who come to this site and play a game or two for free in their downtime, or have been doing so with some frequency and wonder occasionally how they could lose so badly, or so quickly, or why the same people always seem to breeze through games unscathed. The very people Fiero mentions, whom I have played with many times having been here as long as I have. So I guess we are nearing the end of my rant. I don't tend to write long whiny rants, but I just want to know, Ryan, or moderators, or whomever is in charge: Are you punishing me? Are you causing me suffering? Are you cheating us at a fundamental level? This has always been a timewaster for me (in an ok way) but are you wasting my time? I just want to be honestly unlucky- or nothing at all. |
|
Prince Of Persia wrote
at 11:53 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST i know this is quad post but i DID use the luck program for 2 months that i was bitching about my rolls. And after over 3000 or some dice rolled, my average dice roll was an absurd 2.8 . Skrum said it was statistically IMPOSSIBLE for that to be by chance or (bad luck) alone
|
|
Boner Oiler wrote
at 12:11 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST You can see what information your computer is send to the server with certain programs. Webscarab (the one used to nuke) is one. If there was specific information referring to your player identity then you'd be able to intercept it and see it being sent to the server. Until you can produce this there is absolutely no way for Ryan to do what you're suggesting.
I will cede that I have had many accounts and some are consistently lucky while others are consistently unlucky. Does this mean these accounts will always be like this, I don't know. Does this mean there is some random value for each account that Ryan can tinker with to change this? I don't know but I do know that we should be able to detect something like this via server-client communication. And I also know this would have to circumvent the random number generator Ryan uses at random.org. Could it be as simple as tampering with the values received from random.org? Maybe. Would this be expressed in average dice rolled? Yes it probably would. But that still wouldn't explain why some random players are consistently luckier than others (member or not). So then there would have to be a more complicated system in place to manipulate luck that would explain the equally lucky accounts. Do I honestly think Ryan put that much work into being able to assign and tinker with the meta-luck of individual players? As a rational skeptic I don't believe anything without some decent evidence. And even then I change my mind as soon as new evidence is presented. I do not feel the anecdotal evidence of "but omg look at my stats and someone else's stats omg there's a pattern" is enough for me to believe something extraordinary. Maybe there is a value Ryan can play with that dictates meta-luck, and it's certainly possible. But does anyone really think he gives enough of a shit to do that? |
|
Boner Oiler wrote
at 12:12 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST Jesse in reply to that last post, I won't believe that until I see it with my own eyes.
|
|
Boner Oiler wrote
at 12:20 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST |
|
Prince Of Persia wrote
at 12:21 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST well i cant really re-create it. my account is banned for eternity as it should be.
|
|
Prince Of Persia wrote
at 12:24 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST hold on. the FAQ was created by vermont lol.
You can tell me all this webscarab stuff you want. Your arguement is still 'nuh uh it cant be cuz i dont know how he does it' and mine is still 'well take a look at all these accounts where it happened' to which you respond 'yeah but there's a 1/385345432 chance that this is just by chance so its possible and you show me no proof' and i say 'take your head out of your fucking asshole' |
|
Boner Oiler wrote
at 12:28 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST No I can tell you how he does it IF he does it. And I told you to produce the evidence for this and either you don't care to or you don't know how. I'm not your nigger so I'm not going to go find proof that the server knows what account the client is using, because for one I don't care (my account is lucky as shit) and two I don't have the burden of proof. Furthermore even if you did prove the server knows what account you're using it doesn't prove that ryan's server uses this information to decide how you roll.
|
|
Boner Oiler wrote
at 12:29 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST But like I said, the server HAS to know what account you're using otherwise you are unable to claim it's even possible to curse players.
|
|
mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 12:39 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST reminder, the stratigy of tossing coins that I sugested shuold yield an average luck of about 40-42 %, now if you add or remove PGA on that (I am not certain if you should add or remove) the I think it should go down/ up with about 2 %.
therefor I have given a clear stratigy giving you 40 % luck and that stratigy is not too far from the stratigy a player think he is cursed might use. mainly because he is more afraid of expanding in the beginning, he will get lower luck on average if dicerolls are fair. |
|
mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 12:40 AM, Monday February 28, 2011 EST now fieros 2,8 seems very low and might be the closest thing I have seen to a proof (combined with the fact that he does not show up on unluckiest players)
|