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So is this is how it really works?
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woodcubed wrote
at 5:17 AM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST
I just read the post by Fiero600. Suffice it to say I find it most revealing. Not the part about people abusing moderator status... not the pga crap at higher level tables... not any of that. I knew all of that. Now, for me, I am a casual player, I have never placed, I have my share of people who say they hate me but probably don't remember me. Really I am just mediocre at this game I figured. Yes, I have had a kdice account, the same and only account since I first signed up for this game in its first year, and I have maybe once gotten to the 5,000 tables Honestly i only try to get points so I can escape the zero tables and for really no other reason. So what is this post about? I will tell you.
Fiero600 says in his goodbye post that the luck for an individual player is affected by whether you have an account. If this is true, I need to think long and hard about whether I should even bother playing. This whole post is a response to this idea, and if it is not true that luck is a manipulated figure, please disabuse me of the notion. I don't spend any time usually in this forum so I would not know if this had come up before. You see I had thought luck was simply an accounting of how you did, not a variable in the equation itself. Do you know how much stress it causes me, and to other players I am sure, to lose and lose and lose even when I darn well better know the strategy by now? How I will lose, on my first turn, every single attack, even 5v2, and be killed off instantly before the game has even begun? And this is not to say that can''t happen, but seriously. I always figured there was some random number generator somewhere combined with my own mistakes but if there is a thumb on the scale then is there is no point to any of my effort is there? And do I even want to pay to get an advantage over other players that would amount to cheating? In most games with paid perks, you get some magic armor, or a points boost, or another helping hand. But if it is true that paid subscribers get BETTER LUCK or heck even just a privileged few, than what you are telling me is more equivalent to paying not for a stat boost but instead to paying someone to give your opponents a handicap. I play this game because i figured it was a game of strategy mixed with luck and a way to procrastinate occasionally. But apparently it is a game of fixed statistics and politics. I don't care what goes on at the top of the leader boards. I don't care how rampant the cheating is up in the clouds, and I don't give a crap about point boosts for people who pay for them (because they paid so they should get what is advertised). The only thing i care about, or rather, the only thing i get worked up about, is a basic fairness that comes from true random probability. And if there isn't that one thing, that one most essential component to a game about and centered on the rolling of DICE, then there is no point to any of this, you have causing me small bursts of massive stress for the last 5 YEARS, and I think that anyone who would implement such a system of punishment is a lousy sadist, and ought to be ashamed as a maker of games. If this is true. And please, tell me I am wrong, if i am, because part of me right now sitting here, writing this wants this not to be true, does not wish to believe that i have spent 5 YEARS as the pawn of a sadistic PLOT to provide entertainment for, as fiero600 again so kindly reveals, a "cabal" of special people. This is not about me though, this is about ALL of the people who come to this site and play a game or two for free in their downtime, or have been doing so with some frequency and wonder occasionally how they could lose so badly, or so quickly, or why the same people always seem to breeze through games unscathed. The very people Fiero mentions, whom I have played with many times having been here as long as I have. So I guess we are nearing the end of my rant. I don't tend to write long whiny rants, but I just want to know, Ryan, or moderators, or whomever is in charge: Are you punishing me? Are you causing me suffering? Are you cheating us at a fundamental level? This has always been a timewaster for me (in an ok way) but are you wasting my time? I just want to be honestly unlucky- or nothing at all. |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 10:44 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST reminder, they are trying to prove something extraordenary here, this is why I require such high proof, espeacially when different stratigies will yield different luck, being PGA (as i freely admit fiero was) should yield even lower luck. thinking there is a curse on you could also change how you play to get even lower luck on your stats.
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 10:46 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST and since we by defintion are working from a confirmation bias, in this case, we have to assume he IS among the least lucky dicers, because otherwise he would not have complained
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reminder wrote
at 11:08 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST ...Could someone post a link to the cursed account travis had?
Mr. K., you know, I must agree with them, not you. You have obviously not been under a curse and I have. Changes in playstyle are obvious - when you see that you won't ever win a rolloff or 7v5, you try to chat others (with normal luck) into helping you. Personally, my game changed from rolling dice to pure diplomacy then, and I played DEFENSIVELY most of the time I survived first few rounds (which was a rare thing seeing how rolling a 4v1 did make me s**t my pants every time seeing how often it'd fail). According to one of ideas written here, reckless attacks while in PGA = less luck. Well guess what, I didn't PGA and I played def -> still had 45% luck at best. It's kinda pointless to proves you wrong here, Mr. K. Yes, we don't have the math to prove me, fiero and all others affected by curses weren't that 0.1% or 0.01% of kdicers who should have horrible luck in at least a couple of successive months. The actions before that can be coincidences to you too, though it was either pissing off Ryan or dumping the membership. Mathematically there exists a very small chance that you're right. But pretty much everyone here plays with chances everyday, and we all know that while 8v3 loss is mathematically possible, it is basically impossible in practice. Seriously, the whole theory on probabilities... feels like you skipped that chapter of maths. |
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 11:25 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST reminder you're way to insignificant to curse, stop aggrandizing yourself
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Prince Of Persia wrote
at 11:30 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST there's never any ryhyme or reason to the curse. just some players (generally who have played a LOT of games and had memberships for a long time) have experienced an INSTANT crash to their luck at the EXACT same time they cancelled their membership. bigjumblies quit because of this, but it was a long time ago i cant find it
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reminder wrote
at 11:36 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST BO, I'd kinda agree with you there. In fact, I never tried or wanted to be significant. But the curse seems not to care about that.
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 11:36 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST Jesse, as someone who's played a gamut of different accounts (some lucky, some god-awful), I can't honestly suspend my disbelief that there is any kind of server side logic that appropriates dice rolls according to your username.
In order to accept what you're suggesting you have to accept that Ryan does not actually use random.org for all of our dice rolls. In which case I would have to ask, how do you think he decides what you roll? And why doesn't the client side of the game send a specific player code to the server whenever a cursed account plays? How then does the server identify you as a cursed player? By your IP? |
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Prince Of Persia wrote
at 11:44 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST I'm not Ryan. I cannot show you how or why, but I know it doesn't exist. Here's another career top player who was a member for years
http://kdice.com/profile/19031103/stats He cancelled his membership 2008 after never having luck under 48%. His monthly luck would NEVER see the good side of 45% again even after 14 months of solid play. He eventually quit. If you think these are all coincidences you are just foolish. |
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Prince Of Persia wrote
at 11:46 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST and no, not your IP. I think it's possible to make a game in which specific accounts "targeted by account and not ip" have different luck. Why is that so hard to believe?
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Prince Of Persia wrote
at 11:47 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST and yes BJ's stats follow the same trend. Great player, great success. Gold medals, silver medals etc... Cancels account and all the sudden someone who is top 50 easily every month cant break into the top 1000. gimme a break man.
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