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How to act when you first sit at high tables
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montecarlo wrote
at 7:34 AM, Thursday December 6, 2007 EST
this is in response to olk's reply in ryan's thread about pga = cheating. i didnt want to sidetrack that thread, but i did want to reply to olk's comment:
"The most part of the top players are friendly with a lots of other top players and find them randomly at tables. They have tendency to attack the new coming they don't know. For me it is as a PGA..." --olk i totally agree with you on this point. this is the way it has always been. back in january when i first made an appearance on the top tables (2000s i think), everyone knew that the elitist bastards who were 2000 regulars would pwn your ass immediately and shoot you back down to the 1800 tables. in light of this, i decided to be nice when i first made it up there. i took my 5th like a man, and went back to 1800. i had a decent shot at 3rd, maybe 2nd, but then they all realized that i was a 2000 noob and they wanted to reward each other. i understood. and didnt bitch about it. and told them it was cool. and their reaction: they raised their collective eyebrow, and said they would remember my charm. so the next time i played 2000, the same thing happened all over again. the third time, the castle burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. BUT THE FOURTH TIME, i had enough positive memory on the 2000 tables that they let me keep the 2nd place that i earned. and they let me stay in their circle. psychologically, this all makes sense. if you play with the same group of people for hundreds of games, and you respect the way they play and their personality, then you will tend to help them when given the choice of help them or help someone you dont know. so i decided that i needed these 2000 people to get to know me, you know, cus i think im a pretty nice guy. and after 4 games of getting pwnd by them, they decided i was a nice guy, and i had a good personality. now, if you want to make it EXTREMELY hard to stay at the high tables, the ABSOLUTE worst thing you can do is bitch at them when they gang up and hand you a 5th instead of your deserved 2nd/3rd. the other TERRIBLE thing you can do is, while bitching, call them all PGAs. especially in this day and era, where pgas are officially cheaters. based on my experience, on all tables of all levels, whenever i call someone a cheater, they will ALWAYS attack me for several games in a row after that. so, a quick overview. to stay on the high tables: 1) be humble, take your undeserved 5th place like a man, and make a joke about it (people love humor in kdice). 2) never accuse the upper tables of pga as soon as you are sent to a lower table. honestly, i think this is good advice. even from an american! |
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Shevar wrote
at 10:28 AM, Saturday December 8, 2007 EST to play kdice i just need a mouse and not a keyboard
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JDizzle787 wrote
at 11:20 AM, Saturday December 8, 2007 EST to have fun playing kdice, a keyboard really helps.
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JDizzle787 wrote
at 11:21 AM, Saturday December 8, 2007 EST and actually, what about logging in?
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Shevar wrote
at 3:26 PM, Saturday December 8, 2007 EST of course its more fun to talk while your playing, but it shouldn't have a major influence on your placing.
logging in? my computer runs 24-7 and i never close my browser ;) |
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evilsamurai wrote
at 8:47 AM, Sunday December 9, 2007 EST The things is,
if you want to enjoy kdice, stay off those boards. First week of the month it's even best to stay off the 200 boards where positions are being handed out between certain players making sure they get to the top boards to gain even more points. Why even bother playing them? They've created a nice little community for themselves - looking after each other. Thus - they defend the system wholeheartedly - of course. They depend upon it. Good for them. |
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Ssergio wrote
at 11:06 AM, Sunday December 9, 2007 EST To Evilsamurai and all the other ppl that keep whining on how the top players divide positions etc.
Montes post is right on the ball: Do you people think that the top players all started playing on the same day Kdice went online? I mean most of them have worked hard on several levels to become what they are now. I too started once with 1500 points in Elo times and was a nobody for very long. Probably I still am for some elite bastards, but even they give me respect as a player and greet me when I sit. Why did it work for me and not for you? Strategy. But not the kind you use to select lands to attack or not, because I am sure that at least half the players here know what is good or bad for them when choosing lands. No its about knowing when to be humble and selecting your time to manifest your personality with the "high rollers". But then to complete the circle after ppl notice you and tend to be familiar with your face it comes back to smart play with the dice. Reading strategies at an advanced level, knowing how friends and foes usually react on certain moves etc. It is hard to put a number on the players that master this skill on a champions level, but my wild guess would be like a 100 (including proxies ;p). And guess what: most of these players 'know' each other and therefore like to play together. WHY? You can count on the others to be able to read your game based on your moves, so that you don't need chat to ask for a truce or a certain move. This makes the game more intresting and leaves the chatbox open for funny, sarcastic and 'out of line' conversation. Which is btw the best way to become a somebody, the player that never speaks will never get to the top. A fault that is made be many 'n00bs' and unfortunally by many not so newbie players is shouting PGA for no reason. When you do this at a high table where ppl sit that understand the silent tactics, you will be punished for it on placement and social level. People don't like whiners, making ppl laugh gets you more points then annoying ppl. This game isn't quantum physics, you too can become a 'master', I am still working on it myself. BTW: There is nothing you can do to me that Castro hasn't already done. |
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evilsamurai wrote
at 4:02 PM, Sunday December 9, 2007 EST where did I whine ssergio?
I've reported observations by myself and others i've chatted with, and i've recomended a way of dealing with it. Stay off those boards. I aint calling nobody cheaters just because they hand out positions and look after each other. And i never said you were a nobody (but you actually said so in the reply yourself). Wether their points and ranks actually mean anything or is anything at all to respect is another matter. Should the average kdice player admire these folks? I think not. They've got their own thing - let them have it. If pressed, I'd give the social argument a little relevance - but i reject the notion that it's about social skills. But it's social allright. And I certainly don't want your way to work for me. |
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Awesomeness! wrote
at 3:17 AM, Monday December 10, 2007 EST @ evilsamurai,
omg, u are such a tool man... i would never call myself 'elite' and in my experience, there are only very few who can call themselves 'elite'. i have only been around a cpl months and i am currently holding 4th spot. in the eyes of zos, monte, int, das and those that play 1k regularly, i have earned thier (or at least i hope so) respect based on my ability and lack of whining whem i lose which goes back to mr.carlo's orignal post and hitting the nail on the head! in my eyes, the quality of the game is better at the 1k tables as player's move actually make sense and with the exception of couchy, defeats go with a pinch of salt and pp just prepare for the next game. if u dont wana play at 1k, then thats fine, good luck climbing the ranks... *smirks*... but dont post crap on here. i know players who have known eachother for x months and often see them fighting and screwing eachother because only one thing matters, and that is winning the month. being 'friendly' and arranging positions and taking dives for eachother is idiotic really. play each game as a new gae and get on with it! |
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SodaPop wrote
at 4:26 AM, Monday December 10, 2007 EST its simple guys...
just kiss some ass and you'll win some games. omg!! i dont know why everyone hates high ranked players? |
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Akemi wrote
at 8:04 AM, Monday December 10, 2007 EST 1) be humble, take your undeserved 5th place like a man, and make a joke about it (people love humor in kdice).
I totally agree with that, it's one of my speciality. |
