and Gurgi of course

Yes, I stabbed you, and your point? Was it a surprise that I finally stabbed you over all the games you have stabbed me? Get a life, kid.

And don't flatter yourself with your own narcissism. That entire comment literally dropped what stock value I had kept in reserve on your IQ yearly balance. Time for me to go short on Gurgi IQ Stock.

So you also claim to be funneling to Savif, Qaz, and Dug? I should ban you for that sentence alone.

Shots fired, Gurgi down.

You're literally going out of your way to start fights with me.

But you don't make sense and you're not worth my time, grats on convincing jurgen to make you a mod

This is the reason I don't think moderators should also be players. I think there would be far less beef, or even perceived beef if moderators were moderators and players were players.

There are a lot of egomaniacs around here, mods included. For example integral always finds way to (jokingly or not) threaten me under the banner of "harassment". eg We will be bickering and I will say something like - if you are going to carry on like an imbecile then I'm not interested in talking to you. The response I get is - don't call me an imbecile that's harassment. I'm well aware he is just being obtuse, but the problem is that there is no differentiation in the long term between "joking" and "actual" warnings.

If a player threatens another player (empty or not) it is meaningless. Even if integral is purely doing it to troll, the next time he wants to flex his e-muscle he simply says "you have been warned before". Never mind that the "before" warning was a jovial troll for his amusement.

It's a joke that there are no standards for them to adhere to.

I didn't say don't call me an imbecile that's harassment, don't mince words thrill.

I said "why are you name calling", to which you corrected me that you said 'like an imbecile" and so forth. There was no mention of warning you at all during that entire conversation we had. Your prior warnings are referenced here:

Also Hey Thrill,

I don't care much for this thread, or the back and forth you're having with bdk/api vs you, if I could, I'd have locked this thread, but I can't.

One thing I do want to say though, is in that game, julie in fact did feel bullied by you, she wasn't talking back to you. You started the whole thing by calling her a 'cunt', which I believe did have malicious intent. I warned you about that and you changed your language, great, thanks for that.

But you proceeded to belittle her every move and telling her that she 'sucked' etc, while nothing was said back to you. That was a long game, about what, 70 rounds? If that isn't harassment, then I don't know what is.

I don't have the same problems with you that api and bdk seem to have, but I didn't much like the way you acted that game.

You've got 2 warnings. Please don't push it as I actually do enjoy your playstyle and I think you're much smarter than you act.

from http://kdice.com/discussion/topics/45158718?page=4

interestingly enough, you claim to have read the rules in that same thread, which means you did in fact know that you aren't supposed to login to alts.

Just for future reference, bans on alts extend to bans on mains.

I released you a couple hours early since you took the ban well, thanks for that, it is appreciated as many people don't do that (not a troll).

Can you see why I (and others) might find it difficult to deal with you guys as both moderators and players? One minute you can be all high and mighty about peoples conduct and language, and the next you guys can both be as petty and childish as anyone else on this site. You deal with the same in game frustrations as anyone but have the ability to carry your trolling over in your moderating capacity.

It seems the default response when I complain about something you said is "I won't joke about it anymore". I couldn't even count on both hands how many times you have "jokingly" warned me about harassment for petty things.

It's a fruitless conversation as I said, because you as a moderator can shove words and intentions into my mouth but we as players just have to accept what you say as gospel. There's no standard for you to adhere to. You can be as obnoxious as you like while at the same time handing out warnings to other people for their conduct.

I literally had no idea I wasn't allowed to log on as an alt given this is the first time ever (since I started in 2008) that I have been banned, yet you keep saying I DID know. You keep saying I had malicious intent when insulting Julie, but in actual fact I was irritated at the obnoxiously long game and illogical play, not WHO the opponent was. Malicious intent would imply that I have something against Julie, which I don't and never have.

I agree with Thrill. It has been around two months since the new mods and they still cannot separate being a mod and a player (talking about integral). I literally have been told not to talk to integral unless its game or mod related, otherwise it might be harassment. He threatens with harassment as his back up when he doesn't want to deal with anything. Have the new mods been helpful to kdice? Yes, of course, they have helped ban people that deserved it quicker, whether through language or PGA. It comes with a price though through intimidation if you are on their "bad side".

bdk just turned up

crashing this thread with no survivors

I don't recall warning you for harassment gauntlet. I did say your behavior with me was borderline harassment because you'd start bothering me out of nowhere when I hadn't even said a word to you. I asked you to stop talking to me out of courtesy more than anything (as I've asked thrill since everytime we talk it just ends up in an argument, I just don't see the point). No warnings were given at all for talking to me, and since I did say that you've still talked to me on a number of occasions (even in this thread) and I have just chosen to ignore it, if you have screenshots to the contrary where I am warning you to stop talking to me or face a ban or if you feel that I'm wrong and you think I did in fact 'warn you to not talk to me', then I shouldn't have done or said that and I apologize, but I honestly doubt I would ever warn you for something silly like that. If you really do want to just clear the air between the two of us then I'm more then willing to have that conversation too, as I was trying to do with thrillho last night but unfortunately had to leave (sorry about that thrill).

I agree I didn't give you my initial warning about your otf preferences as well as I could have (telling you that you lost your 'mod privilege'), I even admitted to this a number of times, but I still stand by that warning as I feel you're one of the few remaining players that still is a little too friendly with your friends.

As for both bdk's and my record... there is an advisorlog that keeps track of the bans that we actually do give, kdice.com/advisorlog

None of us operate in a vacuum, we question each others decisions all the time, but for the most part, all decisions are made together in regards to bans and warnings, and aren't personal attacks on people. You can also email Ryan if you're really upset with the way we've been moderating and we can be removed as moderators. It's not like you have no say.