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summer banning spree
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jurgen wrote
at 9:21 AM, Monday August 19, 2013 EDT
Even though I prefer letting the top players govern themselves as much as possible, I need to step in again and sound the alarm.
The main bans concern Slinus, Ali/integral and Jesse/nightfury. There has been some massive point funneling, including on the test server. @ Int, you pga'ed and shared yet another account so as your ban comment states, don't expect your old main back soon. Some things go way back until February 2013. It was clear that Jesse helped Slinus to her first gold but also that some others helped too. Anyway, I left it all unpunished because I stand by my rule that I only want to ban when I'm completely sure about my case. It's hard to look inside someone else's brain (or chatlogs) so that's why some people get the benefit of the doubt. But that doesn't mean things don't add up or that I "forget" about stuff over time. Everything came together this month and I think it's time to end some things that are going out of control. Some banned people might yell "Hey but I didn't do anything this month, why do I get a ban now?". Well maybe that's not ideal but it is still deserved. Also I expect some mad people saying they don't pga, only otf. Well, maybe you tell yourself that and it might actually fool yourself. Some people seem to think that pga means never attacking each other, or always saving each other or constantly communicating via an external chatbox. Well if you put it that way, no one pga's and everyone is otf. OK so here's the thing. There's a whole bunch of players that I could have given a warning ban too. Again, I only banned when completely sure and I hope I would have been wrong about all or most of the others anyway. I'm not even going list a bunch of warned people. Everyone should just assume they are warned and if you think you're playing ok, fine, please enjoy yourself. But it might just be a good thing to evaluate your playstyle with your biggest otf (if you have any) now and then. And I know it's hard to draw the line between pga and otf. It's impossible to say OK you can do this but not this. Every thing is so game related and it depends on the frequency of the otf favors that you give. So, in conclusion, I can't explain or define where the line between pga and otf is. BUT WHAT I CAN DEFINE is when someone has clearly crossed the line. So if you want to be safe, stay as far away from the imaginary line as you can. That doesn't mean you can't trust or truce people that you know. It simply means you attack them when it's your best move to win the game. Or when they don't flag you but you have a +2 stack on them to clean up their entire base. Anyway, it actually shouldn't be THAT hard to have some common sense. PS: I hardly banned any alts of people but I expect everyone to not play alts until the end of the month. If I see alts being played anyway, they will be banned too and the first ban could become longer. PPS: thanks Sophie/Slinus for owning up to the cheating (after a bit of denying at first :P) and accepting the ban. |
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Lil Johnson213 wrote
at 6:49 PM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT I hear you jurgz and I agree with you. I appreciate how invested you are in making the game play fairer and respectful. I'd say the only realm where we differ is that I think banning in itself sends a message that's pretty powerful. Just hearing someone's been banned makes me check my own playing.
Of course there are extreme cases where you need to ban ppl's alts too. But imo, in general, a little bit goes a long way and banning more intensively and harshly isn't more effective. Ok |
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Lil Johnson213 wrote
at 6:50 PM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT oops, I didn't mean to press enter...nevertheless, I bet that's a sign that I need to stop talking :)
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Slinus wrote
at 9:45 PM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT Why don't you close higher tables on the test server, Ryan? If this site is for testing only, why do you need tables with a high buy-in?
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joe2me wrote
at 12:50 AM, Wednesday August 21, 2013 EDT thanks for bans. All the "friendships" on higher tables made me avoid them lately. No fun when a bunch of friends rape your points most games so been sticking to 0,100,500 tables for more competitive games
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Slinus wrote
at 12:54 AM, Wednesday August 21, 2013 EDT Mimimimimi.
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TheBetterYodel wrote
at 9:50 AM, Wednesday August 21, 2013 EDT Why does Travis always come out for less harsh punishments? The game is extremely dead because of cheating alts yet here he is saying they shouldn't be banned.
We don't need Fiero apologists here! Ban them all! |
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Gurgi wrote
at 10:22 AM, Wednesday August 21, 2013 EDT is slinus getting reset?
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Lady Lite wrote
at 12:41 PM, Wednesday August 21, 2013 EDT jurgen: What's the lesson learned if she isn't?
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Slinus wrote
at 3:39 PM, Wednesday August 21, 2013 EDT I agree with jurgen and Yodel about the alts. When I switched to a new one directly after my ban I didn't think about changing my behavior like I do now after some real timeout.
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Slinus wrote
at 3:40 PM, Wednesday August 21, 2013 EDT I agree with jurgen and Yodel about the alts. When I switched to a new one directly after my ban I didn't think about changing my behavior like I do now after some real timeout.
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