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summer banning spree
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jurgen wrote
at 9:21 AM, Monday August 19, 2013 EDT
Even though I prefer letting the top players govern themselves as much as possible, I need to step in again and sound the alarm.
The main bans concern Slinus, Ali/integral and Jesse/nightfury. There has been some massive point funneling, including on the test server. @ Int, you pga'ed and shared yet another account so as your ban comment states, don't expect your old main back soon. Some things go way back until February 2013. It was clear that Jesse helped Slinus to her first gold but also that some others helped too. Anyway, I left it all unpunished because I stand by my rule that I only want to ban when I'm completely sure about my case. It's hard to look inside someone else's brain (or chatlogs) so that's why some people get the benefit of the doubt. But that doesn't mean things don't add up or that I "forget" about stuff over time. Everything came together this month and I think it's time to end some things that are going out of control. Some banned people might yell "Hey but I didn't do anything this month, why do I get a ban now?". Well maybe that's not ideal but it is still deserved. Also I expect some mad people saying they don't pga, only otf. Well, maybe you tell yourself that and it might actually fool yourself. Some people seem to think that pga means never attacking each other, or always saving each other or constantly communicating via an external chatbox. Well if you put it that way, no one pga's and everyone is otf. OK so here's the thing. There's a whole bunch of players that I could have given a warning ban too. Again, I only banned when completely sure and I hope I would have been wrong about all or most of the others anyway. I'm not even going list a bunch of warned people. Everyone should just assume they are warned and if you think you're playing ok, fine, please enjoy yourself. But it might just be a good thing to evaluate your playstyle with your biggest otf (if you have any) now and then. And I know it's hard to draw the line between pga and otf. It's impossible to say OK you can do this but not this. Every thing is so game related and it depends on the frequency of the otf favors that you give. So, in conclusion, I can't explain or define where the line between pga and otf is. BUT WHAT I CAN DEFINE is when someone has clearly crossed the line. So if you want to be safe, stay as far away from the imaginary line as you can. That doesn't mean you can't trust or truce people that you know. It simply means you attack them when it's your best move to win the game. Or when they don't flag you but you have a +2 stack on them to clean up their entire base. Anyway, it actually shouldn't be THAT hard to have some common sense. PS: I hardly banned any alts of people but I expect everyone to not play alts until the end of the month. If I see alts being played anyway, they will be banned too and the first ban could become longer. PPS: thanks Sophie/Slinus for owning up to the cheating (after a bit of denying at first :P) and accepting the ban. |
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Buttwank wrote
at 10:24 PM, Monday August 19, 2013 EDT I think an Astrix should be put by Slinus's Gold Medal this month.
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TheBetterYodel wrote
at 10:29 PM, Monday August 19, 2013 EDT Good job jurg.
I think a good banning method would be. 1st PGA offense: 1 month ban main 2nd PGA offense: 3 month ban all accounts 3rd PGA offense: 1 year ban on all accounts + all medals stripped. After the 3rd offense when the unbanning happens it would be nice to have a "cheaters star" or something like that (red anarchy symbol maybe?) for the following 6 months of play after reinstatement. |
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TheBetterYodel wrote
at 10:29 PM, Monday August 19, 2013 EDT PS. You're telling me that Jesse is still cheating at this game? GTFO. I'm blown away.
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ehervey wrote
at 10:27 AM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT I have a lot of OTF:
Slinus BDK Dabee Nokia Sam for the most obvious... |
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ehervey wrote
at 10:28 AM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT But I still suck....
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Buttwank wrote
at 11:59 AM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT We're all very proud that Slinus did the right thing after she won gold already.
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TheBetterYodel wrote
at 1:45 PM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT ^lol
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Lil Johnson213 wrote
at 4:35 PM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT I appreciate people taking efforts to make this game more enjoyable. However, I do not think it's meaningful or productive to ban alts. People get the point and it's less hassling for the mods.
Sidenote: In some ways, I think it's important for the mods to know what it's like to be banned. |
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HuntDucks wrote
at 4:50 PM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT otoh, HuntDucks, or any of his previous accounts, has/have never cheated. Free HuntDucks!
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jurgen wrote
at 5:57 PM, Tuesday August 20, 2013 EDT @ HD: most cheaters only call it cheating after they get caught
@ Travis: yes I fully agree. Only I often find people just taking another account right after they get banned as if it's business as usual. What's the lesson learned in that? I constantly have to explain to banned players that they can't just play an alt right away. Most common answer: "oh I didn't know that I couldn't". Now I agree that sometimes it's unclear how long a ban will stay or that after a while it's ok to switch to an alt. But again, immediately taking an alt just shows me that the banned player didn't learn a thing or doesn't plan to change habbits. So if I feel that it's needed, I start banning alts too. |