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So is this is how it really works?
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woodcubed wrote
at 5:17 AM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST
I just read the post by Fiero600. Suffice it to say I find it most revealing. Not the part about people abusing moderator status... not the pga crap at higher level tables... not any of that. I knew all of that. Now, for me, I am a casual player, I have never placed, I have my share of people who say they hate me but probably don't remember me. Really I am just mediocre at this game I figured. Yes, I have had a kdice account, the same and only account since I first signed up for this game in its first year, and I have maybe once gotten to the 5,000 tables Honestly i only try to get points so I can escape the zero tables and for really no other reason. So what is this post about? I will tell you.
Fiero600 says in his goodbye post that the luck for an individual player is affected by whether you have an account. If this is true, I need to think long and hard about whether I should even bother playing. This whole post is a response to this idea, and if it is not true that luck is a manipulated figure, please disabuse me of the notion. I don't spend any time usually in this forum so I would not know if this had come up before. You see I had thought luck was simply an accounting of how you did, not a variable in the equation itself. Do you know how much stress it causes me, and to other players I am sure, to lose and lose and lose even when I darn well better know the strategy by now? How I will lose, on my first turn, every single attack, even 5v2, and be killed off instantly before the game has even begun? And this is not to say that can''t happen, but seriously. I always figured there was some random number generator somewhere combined with my own mistakes but if there is a thumb on the scale then is there is no point to any of my effort is there? And do I even want to pay to get an advantage over other players that would amount to cheating? In most games with paid perks, you get some magic armor, or a points boost, or another helping hand. But if it is true that paid subscribers get BETTER LUCK or heck even just a privileged few, than what you are telling me is more equivalent to paying not for a stat boost but instead to paying someone to give your opponents a handicap. I play this game because i figured it was a game of strategy mixed with luck and a way to procrastinate occasionally. But apparently it is a game of fixed statistics and politics. I don't care what goes on at the top of the leader boards. I don't care how rampant the cheating is up in the clouds, and I don't give a crap about point boosts for people who pay for them (because they paid so they should get what is advertised). The only thing i care about, or rather, the only thing i get worked up about, is a basic fairness that comes from true random probability. And if there isn't that one thing, that one most essential component to a game about and centered on the rolling of DICE, then there is no point to any of this, you have causing me small bursts of massive stress for the last 5 YEARS, and I think that anyone who would implement such a system of punishment is a lousy sadist, and ought to be ashamed as a maker of games. If this is true. And please, tell me I am wrong, if i am, because part of me right now sitting here, writing this wants this not to be true, does not wish to believe that i have spent 5 YEARS as the pawn of a sadistic PLOT to provide entertainment for, as fiero600 again so kindly reveals, a "cabal" of special people. This is not about me though, this is about ALL of the people who come to this site and play a game or two for free in their downtime, or have been doing so with some frequency and wonder occasionally how they could lose so badly, or so quickly, or why the same people always seem to breeze through games unscathed. The very people Fiero mentions, whom I have played with many times having been here as long as I have. So I guess we are nearing the end of my rant. I don't tend to write long whiny rants, but I just want to know, Ryan, or moderators, or whomever is in charge: Are you punishing me? Are you causing me suffering? Are you cheating us at a fundamental level? This has always been a timewaster for me (in an ok way) but are you wasting my time? I just want to be honestly unlucky- or nothing at all. |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 9:08 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST boner oiler, I am talking about luck between games.
as I said in winning games you roll alot more dice than in loosing games, therefor the luck in the winning games will naturally be closer to the average than the loosing game, simply because the luck is calculated from a bigger sample size. since luck tends to be lower in shorter games (you loose fast to bad luck); the the curve we work with will then naturally NOT be a bell curve, especially every game counts the same for total luck of the month NOT every roll |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 9:11 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST sorry BO, thanks, didn't read it and understand it, just responded :D
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superxchloe wrote
at 9:15 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST I just used a huge number to illustrate that even when it is enormous, the p values end up being extremely small. Jesse's dom actually doesn't really indicate sitting in a corner all game to me... -30 dom points in 3rd/4th seems pretty reasonable on a small board (which yellowfin is). It certainly doesn't indicate rolling the entire game, but it doesn't indicate sitting all game either.
" I feel ryan would not implement this in his code. " cue monte finding the quotes about someone suggesting curses in ryan saying that's a good idea? |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 9:20 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST so if you agree that we cannot use the normal disibution, then all of your numbers are wrong, and since we are doing this from a position of confrimation bias, we can agree you have not proved anything?
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superxchloe wrote
at 9:22 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST No... my last post disagreed with your position about jesse sitting around all game, thus lending his by round percentages to fit a bell curve.
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superxchloe wrote
at 9:24 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST Also, I doubt that you could recreate 45% luck over 100 games if you tried, though this is something to be explored, of course.
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 9:28 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST lol, I obviously did not mean it like that
when you get 7 dice per turn, you attack 1/turn when you get 14 dice per turn you attack 2/ turn when you get bad luck, players that PGA wait for the other players to kill someone else 7th and 6th, therefor number of rounds does not implicate how many times he rolled his dice that game, and I suspect that the more rounds the more rolls per round many/most of th 2k games had 3-5 players until the last round, it is natural the the players with the lowest luck in that game will take the lowest places, having rolled the fewest rolls |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 9:29 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST if I can try 1000 times, I think I could create a stratigy giving 45% luck at least 1 of the times
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 9:29 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST Chloe I can create like 40% luck over 100 games if I wanted to.
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 9:30 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST probably even more
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