"If he hits you, then calmly alert him of what you were doing so that he understands your strategy in the future."

Alex, this is exactly what you were advocating AGAINST. Wanna rethink your position?

"'If he hits you, then calmly alert him of what you were doing so that he understands your strategy in the future.'

Alex, this is exactly what you were advocating AGAINST. Wanna rethink your position?"


You must have misunderstood the point I was making. I stand by my opinion that each game should be viewed objectively with out any concern who each color is. The key word here is "strategy". My point here was to explain your strategy to the player NOT so that the other player could recognize your NAME in future games or you recognize HIS name, but that the other player recognizes the STRATEGY that is used. In explaining to the player what you were doing, he now understands that if a player, ANY player, moves a big stack away from him, then this is a sign of peace, and he should remember this move throughout the rest of the game, JUST this game.

Alex, to turn a blind eye to the known play styles of others is just shear stupidity. for example leekstep and i are by no means a pga, but i know that if i am next to him and not pathetically weak i can usually get a truce out of him. Or with das i know that if i truce him he will eventually turn on me. using this knowledge is not illegal.

Ok just to clarify, it was a little confusing when I read over it again.

You must have misunderstood the point I was making. I stand by my opinion that each game should be viewed objectively with out any concern who each color is. The key word here is "strategy". My point here was to explain your strategy to the player NOT so that the other player could recognize your NAME in future games or you recognize HIS name, but that the other player recognizes the STRATEGY that is used. In explaining to the player what you were doing, he now understands that if a player, ANY player, moves a big stack away from him, then this is a sign of peace, and he should remember this specific move from you throughout the rest of the game, JUST this game, but be able to recognize the strategy in future games, though not necessarily coming from you as a player.

alex is basically proposing an anonymous game. this thread is concerned about cheaters, not massive basic changes to the game.

lets keep on topic, although it seems there isnt much more to say about how to handle the cheaters.

my fave part of this thread was when GreGGwar showed up and stated that he wants his ban extended from 7 days to 30 days. self-pwn?

"Alex, to turn a blind eye to the known play styles of others is just shear stupidity. for example leekstep and i are by no means a pga, but i know that if i am next to him and not pathetically weak i can usually get a truce out of him. Or with das i know that if i truce him he will eventually turn on me. using this knowledge is not illegal."

OK fair enough. Sure you can use this knowledge and this is fine as long as it doesn't lead to cheating/pga/favors.

However, in your first example, there is a line that you are getting pretty close to. If you have a history of trucing with leek as it appears you do, and are able to truce because of this history, then I believe that this is against the rules. On the other hand, if there is no history between you and leekstep, and any player can enact a similar truce in a similar situation, then this is perfectly fine in my opinion.

"this thread is concerned about cheaters, not massive basic changes to the game."

You think these have nothing to do with each other?

The title of this thread is "Open discussion on cheating and the punishment deserved for violations"

I think discussing cheating and how to fix it is well within the topic of this thread.

Two things must be true in order for an account to be banned

1) There was intent to do something inappropriate
and
2) That action was done.

When both of these conditions are met, a ban should immediately put into place with further action to be taken. I see it as putting the account into a holding cell before a final decision is made.

For example, let's say I joke and say that I am PGA with Gurgi. That is not enough to get put in "jail". Although the intent might be there, there is no action.

Now let's say I joke and say I am PGA with Gurgi and we finish a series of 2k tables with us going 1/3, 2/3, and 1/4. In my mind, both accounts should be banned immediately for further review.

Upon this review, it's decided that I am not a continuous cheater and am "let off easy" by having my points docked and banned for the following month. It's also decided that Gurgi is a repeat offender and has his points docked and is banned for an extended time, 6 months.


So basically what I am suggesting is that suspicion isn't enough to ban someone. Video/screen shots/mod being there is enough to put an account in jail. Discussion is needed for IP banning or further punishment.

by that logic monte I've also self pwned myself.

although I guess I self pwn every time I do anything really.

Alex you are not helping, create a new fucking thread to talk about your moronic ideas.

Now can we get back to the subject that int basicly said the best course of action in the first post and the rest of the intelligent comments have just been variations on his point.