also sometimes i like to play for fun slash goof around and not have to worry about points and stuff and just mess around on 0 tables on an alt.

What if people were allowed to have 1-2 alts but they were tied to their main. This way people couldn't "claim" to be shared when mods weren't around but then when the screan shot comes out they say "I only said it so more people would like me"

Maybe only mods could see who the alts were tied to....

chloe, i too covet my consistent top 500 account

that would be ridiculously hard to moderate, thrax's spreadsheet would grow exponentially

Thrax i know the story behind the salem witch trials and I assure you there may have been witches back then...NEVERTHELESS, that's irrelevant bc im talking abt the whole "Find the cheaters and get rid of them!" craze. and if i say I disagree with what's going on...THEN I MUST BE A CHEATER!.
Plus i got BSed modded for no reason so I have the right to be bitter and it made me realize there are more ppl who are probably being modded unjustly as well.
I think nuking and proxying are ridiculous and should be outlawed...
But I feel like cheating is so subjective that it's not really fair to ban someone based on accusations of pga or even if you think you witnessed pga. I've been accused more than once of throwing tournies and thrax you witnessed one of them and knew it wasn't true. But what if you were not there and someone else was...what if that mod thought i was throwing a tourney adn blocked me...then bam i can't play kdice for two weeks...wtf. So i said all that to say that I personally don't trust mods. You may want to do the right thing, but at the end of the day every one has faulty perception.

Ban people, you see people acting badly ban them. Try to have a consistent ban lengths and reason. You know who some of the consistent trouble makers are if you can tie a trouble making alt to a main, ban both.

The people that care about the game will be hesitant to such fucktards if they felt their precious main account might be punished.

If you can get point docking abilities or get quicker responses from Ryan for when an account needs it.

You will never be able to stop people from being nicer to people they know over people they don't but you can help discourage those that might look to actively and overtly try to harm the enjoyment of others.

Don't worry about alts, too hard to moderate, but be willing to punish mains if an alt is doing something bad. This is a pretty good middle ground.

I don't have your same feelings about shared accounts but you have your reasons and they should either be legal or illegal no middle ground.

Before this discussion gets any further, I believe we should define some terms here. First, obviously, is cheating; which I would define as doing anything to break the rules of this game.

Now there are 5 rules on this site, the first three are quite easy to moderate and hand out punishment for:
1.
Do not use pornography avatars
2.
Do not harrass people
3.
Do not use hate language or avatars

The next 2 get a little tricky
1.
Game-to-game favors or alliances are not allowed
2.
Play only one account at a time

I am going to focus on the first one: "Game-to-game favors or alliances are not allowed", which many refer to as PGA (Pre-game alliance).

People often only focus on the second part of this rule and not the first: Game-to-game favors.

I feel this is what is being abused ALL THE TIME, and people are getting away with it without punishment. Now if you just watch a game with some obvious violators of this rule(I'm not naming any names but it's quite easy to guess), you'll see that while it is not evident that they have formed a pre-game alliance: they don't hit eachother when they should, they flag to eachother faster then they should, and when given a choice to attack two equally strong players, they will most likely attack someone they are not familiar with.

This IS a violation of the rules and just ruins the game for the other people at the table.

My suggestion: Don't let ANYONE (career or montly) in the top 25 sit with eachother. The exception, of course, is tournaments; which should be closely moderated anyway.

Some of you may argue this is a social game and you want to play with your friend blah blah blah. If you want to talk, go on msn or aim or pick up the phone. If the reason is you want to PLAY with your friend then that is exactly what is leading to these pre-game alliances and game-to-game favors!!!

Tournaments is where the most cheating occurs. I see people giving favor to those who helped them in earlier rounds and I cringe, because this is AGAINST THE RULES. Obviously you are going to run into people you've worked with and against from earlier rounds, you need to FORGET about those earlier rounds and treat everyone the SAME.

As for enforcing these rules, we need moderators who understand the game, play enough, and can understand the difference between game-to-game favors and silent truces.

I've talked to most of the top 25 players (Monthly and career) and they admit that they are guilty of giving game-to-game favors and believe it is part of the game and should be embraced. I do not think that is the case and have tried to convince them otherwise.

There needs to be a moderator forum as to discuss possible rule-breakers where you guys have a list of who to watch; so that you are absolutely SURE a player is guilty when you ban them.

Anyway good luck Thrax, thanks for trying to fix this problem...

"My suggestion: Don't let ANYONE (career or montly) in the top 25 sit with eachother. The exception, of course, is tournaments; which should be closely moderated anyway.

Some of you may argue this is a social game and you want to play with your friend blah blah blah."

first point: preventing the top 25 monthly from sitting with each other would make it impossible for the top players to ever get a game to start.

second point: the game isn't necessarily a social game in that people want to play with friends but people know each other's play styles and know which players are trustworthy and such.

first point: preventing the top 25 monthly from sitting with each other would make it impossible for the top players to ever get a game to start.

False, most games I watch there are only 1 or 2 people from top 25 in the actual game. Sure there are cases where 3+ are in a game, but this is where cheating is most likely to occur. There are PLENTY of people with 5k+ points NOT in the top 25... if my suggestion is put into effect; people will actually be MORE inclined to play in 2ks and 5ks, seeing as how the chances they will encounter cheating and pga will be decreased dramatically. I know I would play more 2ks and 5ks if I was more sure there was no cheating going on.

second point: the game isn't necessarily a social game in that people want to play with friends but people know each other's play styles and know which players are trustworthy and such.

Can you explain this point more? I'm not sure I understand; at least the "knowing each other's play styles" part.

As for knowing which players are trustworthy(I'm not sure what this has to do with my suggestion); play with more people! I'm sure you can't find others who arn't in the top 25 who are trustworthy. TBH, I can only name a few in the top 25 who I would trust to respect a flag I make.

Alex, that is quite literally the stupidest thing i have read in a long time.

"There needs to be a moderator forum as to discuss possible rule-breakers where you guys have a list of who to watch; so that you are absolutely SURE a player is guilty when you ban them. " Yea, they should totally make one of those. Since that doesnt already exist or anything