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EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS!!! MODS/PLAYERS!
VaScHa9276 wrote
at 9:42 AM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
Okay, so I wanted to basically write this in hopes the right people would read it, take it serious and maybe do something about the issues.

The problem with this game is the design.. it doesnt know if its a "social networking site" or a "gaming site". For example, the so called "top" players will tell you a key to success is the chat box. Being talkative and making "friends" is a must to be top 100 in the month and that seems wrong on so many levels.

Not only that, but it leads to PGAs and makes new players feel alienated by these so called "virtual friends". People stop playing this game because of the politics that go along with it and the fact it is nearly impossible to crack the top 100 unless you have a teammate. That shouldn't be the case in what is supposed to be a 1 man for themselves game.

The chatbox also leads to "vflags", which have tons and tons of issues. From people abusing vflagging, to backstabbing after being left alone. Even the person who accepts or denies the vflag is in trouble many times because some people view this as a "truce/alliance".

In short, the designers of this game need to figure out if they want to run a "game" site or a "social networking" site. If they choose the ladder, fine.. myself along with MANY MANY people will quit for good. Im here to play a game and win if possible, not to make "cyber friends" or "talk my way to 1st/2nd place". If I want to chat, Ill log onto MSN or AIM, join a chat room or whatever.. but the mix of both gaming and chat doesnt mix, it just creates cheating and problems.

I doubt this post will change anything, but I had to say something because after giving up KDice for a while and recently coming back to see if things changed I have found its only gotten worse, and the few names I used to recognize and respect for playing the game and not playing the chatbox are now gone and been gone for months.

This is a dying site, and its a shame because in principal you had such a great idea/game in mind. But the players were allowed to ruin it because not enough policing when the chat box was allowed.

Get rid of the chat box, or KDice will be gone in the very near future...I guarantee.

Don't believe me? Ask a mod.. or go check a website that will tell you how much traffic this site gets.. compare now to just a year ago.. or a year ago to 2 years ago... it's been a steady decline and is only getting worse. Soon the sponsors go, than the site goes..

..Ill be disappointed if it happens, but won't be that upset because they allowed it to happen themselves without trying to fix the issue.

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Thraxle wrote
at 11:37 AM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
50% of this game is 80% mental

~Yogi Berra~
the full monte wrote
at 11:44 AM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
my percentages were independent of each other. treat them more like grades. VaSc has stated that the top playes get 0/100 skillwise, and 100/100 in salesmanship. i say its 99/100 skillwise and at least 10/100 salesmanship wise.

sorry i shouldnt have used percentages, but grades instead.
VaScHa9276 wrote
at 11:50 AM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
Untrue.. because 99/100 they would lose unless they beg/truce/vflag/chat/exc exc to stay alive.

Thats not skill.. its negoatiating/ being a VAGINA!
Bismuth wrote
at 11:56 AM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
sounds like someone got truced against
VaScHa9276 wrote
at 12:01 PM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
Bis, lol.. you have no idea! I have been a member/player for many many years.. going back to 2004/05. I stopped playing in 07, came back briefly in middle of 09, and left again. Back again, and same stuff going on..

just cant stand making the right moves, getting in the best spot only to have 2 "friends" tag team me for the win.

It isnt fair/right that a better player loses because I chose to have real life friends instead of internet friends.
Thraxle wrote
at 12:04 PM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
Wasn't this game created in 2006?
the full monte wrote
at 12:06 PM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
ok, example. 7 top players sit down at a game.

all of them have excellent strategic ability. they all have 99/100 when it comes to which rolls you should and should not make.

if they leave it at that, then the game will unfold as follows:
player with luckiest start wins.
player with unluckiest start loses.
game over.

where is the fun in that? youve got to be blind if you think that there is a significant skill difference among the top players. at most it would vary from 98/100 to 100/100. the overwhelming amount of games would be won purely by random start luck. and then the most points would go to whoever wastes the most time on the site clicking.


in order to score better than others, the major variation occurs in the chatbox. some are REALLY good at it, lets say 99/100, and can manipulate without effort. some arent very good at all, but still try, lets say 20/100, and so most of their outcomes are determined by whether or not they get a lucky start.

so it seems the only answer to your conundrum is to eliminate the chatbox altogether, and then it cannot be used as a tool to be a vagina. then the games would be completely determined by lucky starts, which NO ONE would enjoy. (the only reason you think you would enjoy this is because the grass is always greener.)

the only middle ground i can think of is to remove the chatbox on the table, and replace it with several buttons, like "offer truce" "red" "accept" "reject". this would take out the social interaction of the chatbox, while maintaining the war-like functionality of the game. but this would require some massive retooling of the site/game.
TheBetterYodel wrote
at 12:07 PM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
Imo no one talks about what happens if you use the chat box too much. Most REALLY manipulative people can't even play games with half the server because they get killed out of the starting gate. That is what can lead to pga's :P and with no chat box it would only get worse not better. Could you imagine sitting with zoid and greekboi but you have no way to get the board to counter without them...That would seriously suck.

What this game needs is higher security. And a few more rules. Maybe one like you cheat on one acc all ur acc's tied to that ip get the boot. I'm sure that would cut down on cheating pretty quickly.

Also I dislike that other gamers can crack the site and get my ip and flood me. This is a problem that many people have encountered and it's a real one. And for anyone who says that is impossible I say to you. STFU. :)
VaScHa9276 wrote
at 12:10 PM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
Yodel, you are a homosexual so I dont really think I should have to respond to you.. BUT.. I will...

maybe if instead of seeing a players user name it just said "red" or "blue" and there was no chat box.. there wouldnt be an issue.

I know I know..im hurting your feelings because if they take away the chat box you will no longer be able to (win) communicate with your (virtual, not real) friends thus rendering your life insufficent and lamer than it obviously already is.

Thraxle, I believe this game came out in the early 2000's.. not 2006+. Guess your the noob, not me huh lol
the full monte wrote
at 12:13 PM, Monday March 8, 2010 EST
man, thrax you just got pwnd. i think you should resign your modship effective immediately.
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