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Cowardice, gutlessness, and "oh i flag".
jimmycolorado wrote
at 7:17 PM, Monday April 20, 2009 EDT
So, it's been my displeasure to witness despicable acts of cowardice on kdice so frequently that I can nearly guarantee you'll see it every game. The specific act? The "oh I flag to you" message.

Why do I think this is a problem? I'll attempt to explain it to you pea-brained peons.

What happens when someone calls "oh I flag" when the game is say 3 or 4 rounds in? It causes the person who they flagged to, obviously the one with a slight lead on everyone else, to change their focus to other players on the board. Nothing wrong with that you say... WRONG! The person who called the "oh I flag" is now being ignored and free to sit there like a little sissy and watch as the leader takes out everyone else.

He's the smart one, you say. Well, he's increased his position in the game, that's for sure, but as for smart? No, definitely not. He's taking advantage of a situation to the ultimate detriment of everyone else. So, you say, he's still getting a better position so he has to be smart? You could argue this point for a while, but what it really comes down to is enjoyment & cowardice, vs a few points. The flagger is not smart, he's just making the game less enjoyable for everyone else and being a coward. Smart or not, well it can't really be proved... but I'll always counter that argument with the fact that he may be smart, but he's a pathetic coward.

It's part of the game, you say. It's not part of the game. It's not written in the rules, it's not a guideline, it's not kosher. The game is about taking territories and fighting until there is a victor and only a couple of challengers left. Those challengers were the ones who fought well, held their territory, and crushed their opposition to hold 2nd or 3rd. The ones who DO NOT deserve 2nd or 3rd are the ones who called "oh i flag" and then sat there, not earning their position.

But flags are part of the game, you say... again. Yes, flags are, when you click that little button. Calling a "flag" in chat is NOT flagging, it's trucing. If you want to flag, click the flag and accept your position. Calling a "flag" (aka a truce) is meant to boost your position in the game, not accept defeat.

In real life you need allies. True. This is not real life... this is a game that is meant to be fun. Calling these bullcrap flags is EXACTLY the same as saying "lets truce", but for some reason nobody sees that. I've seen quite a few people rage up about "trucing", but there's too many morons playing who don't consider "oh i flag" the same as a truce. It is exactly the same.

Hopefully that has got you thinking. I have a particular hatred for this "oh I flag" crap because I play this game for a bit of friendly competition, and to pit my strategies against the opposition. I also watch sport on TV because it has good competition, not because I want to see one side, 5 minutes in after being scored against, say "oh we flag".

What I want you all to do is not accept "oh i flag" anymore. I want to drive this culture out of KDice, so that we can have some good competitive games. I accept actual flags when I'm winning, for sure. I will never accept "flags".

The dice, the territories, the strategy and the competition are what KDice is all about. The cowardly written "flags" are not.

Think about it.


jimmycolorado, aka the flag rager.

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Alala Alala wrote
at 4:05 PM, Monday April 27, 2009 EDT
Quote- That is, if you can get to the 500 tables of course. But if you're not experienced enough to get to the 500 tables, should you really be posting long forum messages about what's wrong with the game?

Well I've been to the 500 tables. They suck. It's a giant hand job party. There are verbal flags in the second round, players being protected by their friends, discussion (in the first round) about who gets what position and more bs than can be found in a cow pasture. The game is really fun at the lower tables but the higher tables have turned into a giant circle with everyone sucking each others dicks. The game itself has evolved into something that is less battle and more about returning favors to each other for points. Face facts. You're more whores than fighters. Keep your circle jerk. I'll play at the lower tables for more fun.
Gauntlet15 wrote
at 7:42 PM, Monday April 27, 2009 EDT
I'm sorry Thraxle but chess is a very bad example to use. The problem is that in chess, its only 1 vs 1. In this game its a 7 free for all. By Flagging you take yourself from the game so you can be smart and try to keep your position against other players that are just like you. Face it Say you have eleven lands and I have 5, whats the point? I know im going to loss against you eleven lands, so I v-flag. This is not personal lol
mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 12:24 PM, Tuesday April 28, 2009 EDT
alala, I agree that the 500 tables sucks, but i have managed to play through (get from 100 table to 2K table) them 3 months in a row, without any friends, and withing few games. so it can't be that bad. and that used to be enough to have the fun games, before Ryan introduced huge inflation (feb). so now I have to get to 5K to have fun games. but at 5K there is still enough of the old players so that the flag-fests don't happen so fast.

so the moral is, either get good and play 5K tables, or stick to 100 tables. that way you can avoid the random flagging bunch on 500 and 2K
""ENGLAND"" wrote
at 1:57 PM, Tuesday April 28, 2009 EDT
If your in position 4000 and 2 days left dont see any point to flagging unless you are 1st 2nd or 3rd
jimmycolorado wrote
at 6:56 AM, Wednesday April 29, 2009 EDT
@ pkrangerpk
"isn't a person that does exactly what you desribed there, excellent at diplomacy which is half of the skill based part of the game? "

No. vflagging is not diplomacy, it's using the guise of a "flag" to expect a "truce". Diplomacy would involve negotiating a truce, calling it a truce, and then going against the other players. I really don't have much objection to that compared to vflagging. So, please, engage brain before commenting next time.

"your an idiot."

You're an idiot. See above comment about brain.


@ Alala Alala
"Keep your circle jerk. I'll play at the lower tables for more fun."

Hell yes!


@ Gauntlet15
"Face it Say you have eleven lands and I have 5, whats the point? I know im going to loss against you eleven lands, so I v-flag. This is not personal lol"

It IS personal. vflagging, when incorrectly respected by the larger player, causes your position to be elevated, and other players to be PERSONALLY disadvantaged. So, instead of earning your position, you call a cowardly ceasefire, and then no doubt would scream blue murder if you're attacked after that. THINK FOR FRIGS SAKE! But if you support vflags, you obviously have no intelligence anyway so I'm wasting my breath.
Gauntlet15 wrote
at 4:37 PM, Wednesday April 29, 2009 EDT
I was saying it was not personal to Thraxle silly. He's my friend on this game.
bobbyjones1 wrote
at 9:29 AM, Thursday April 30, 2009 EDT
the biggest problem is you bastards who don't accept even real flags. Thats why the chat flags started. too many bastards don't accept the button flags, and people don't care about this crap you talk about anymore.
jimmycolorado wrote
at 9:47 AM, Thursday April 30, 2009 EDT
really? I'm sorry bobbyjones... the only time I can recall that I've ever seen somebody not respect ACTUAL flags was like 2 months ago... when I did it on purpose to fuck up a vflagger.

So.. yeah. I sympathise, but it's such a rare occurrence compared to the fucking cowardice displayed daily by vflagger, I just can't care about it.
Damon87 wrote
at 9:50 AM, Thursday April 30, 2009 EDT
Thats why you are that successful, right?
Damon87 wrote
at 9:51 AM, Thursday April 30, 2009 EDT
My posting was adressed to Stromlord, sry
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