I think sam hit it right on the head there. The whole ideology of the players has to change.

I agree the game is a mess now, but, sometimes, you can get lucky and play with good players, I doN,t know if I'm an old player, but what I know is that the players ruin this game, without early truces/flags, ninja flags, PGAs, PGEs, dicks trying to be cool and kill you for the fun of it or even noobs making random moves, the game would, in my opinion be way better.

a ton of players called me cheater last month because i truced in tables and then killed my trucer at the end of the game ,and then said "thats how you win those points".

THATS A FUCKING SKILL YOU DUMBASSSSS

your dumb, you actually did cheat, you were banned and now you continue to troll the forums

i was banned because i wanted it , i just wanted fun a day , and i knew the price would involve a ban.

you must get a real life troy , you are 25/24 hours per day here , playing with those noobs in 500 tables who Vflag in 2nd round

jona you were banned for account sharing and pga'ing, nothing to do with trucing. People keep telling me to go easy on you because you are 16, but mate seriously you just dont get it.
You're not a bad guy at heart, a lot of people including myself do like you but you are not going to get true respect until you put your hand up and say "ok i cheated, i'm sorry, lets move on" and i am sure a lot of people would be happy to let you. It would win you a lot of respect, at the moment the dribble you are pushing as excuses is doing your creditability zero.

My position has always been there should be no chat once the game has started.
Should I have to read about who wanted what or declared something? Nope. If it's my turn to go or "roll off" (I really though that was some kind of politically correct curse), eliminate me.

Personally I make an effort to just remain polite and easy going. I kind of wish everyone would, but since that's not posible I'd prefer there were no chat.

Unfortunately if I ignore the chat, like on a 600px high netbook, people get very angry; also they make deals that don't include me.

4rk ofc people make deals, and truce and flag each other, its worth not dying to get points, no wonder your stuck on the 100 tables, your kdice stupidity is at a maximum high, maximum means good, i help you yes

i think Verms won this thread with his mini-hijack:

"I am here because I enjoy the game."

And that's the bottom line. This is a good game that is run poorly. Compare it to www.conquerclub.com which is superior to this site in every way EXCEPT that (in my opinion) the actual game itself is better here. (in that it is faster and more social here, although the speed games there alleviate most of that.)

They have:
- far less cheating and bickering
- an active, real, forum (even Ryan mocked his own forum in his post)
- a standard ELO scoring system
- a real user rating/feedback system that is actually effective
- awards, badges, recognition
- ability for users to design and submit their own maps via xml
- team play option
- fog of war option
- lots of other game options
- clearly defined rules and guidelines
- way more people/traffic
- easy public/private tournament configuration
- a thriving user community who is actually allowed to participate in the future of the site. Just check out their forum. It dwarfs this one.

Yet...the game itself here is better, so I play at both sites. Imagine if this site were actually run like that one. Ryan would rake in the dough!

And now that I've typed all this, I've realized I have no idea why. We can't even get the line of code that does previous/next copied so that they're at the bottom of the forum pages.

Yet, I don't want to delete all this either. So, take my ramble for what it's worth, which is open to debate.

Lager is on to something...