Oh yeah this game is really hard to understand..


The noob played perhaps lots more games than you did...Rigolo que tu es

this thread has drifted from the my original aim. i dont wish to drop back to the endless debate of the grey area with trading favors, etc... i really just wanted to comment on the obvious blatant PGAs, that mostly exist at lower tables, because they cant survive long against an upper table community that monitors their opponents so closely.

however, on the lower tables, these seem to run fairly rampant, and my theory is they run rampant because they are hardly ever punished. im talking about the PGAs that end up eventually getting posted about in forums several times (think about the old pepecolo/olkinairy, for example). in some cases, the PGAers are so secure in their assessment that they will never be punished that they openly admit the PGA in chatbox, and heckle their opponents (as witnessed in some forum copy/pastes).

im upset that there seems to be a large fraction of the kpopulation whose reaction to this is: stfu, those are low tables, and points dont matter there. most of the time, these thoughts arent posted in forums. but, the initial reaction that most of us have to the incessantly ubiquitous forum post of "playerX and playerY are PGA!!!" is: ho-hum, i dont care, i avoid those lower tables because its full of idiots, and this isnt worth my time.

well, i think it is worth our time because 1) this society is better than just sweeping these egregious cases under the kcarpet, and 2) if we want to bring in new players who will stick around, then we need to have the tables where they have their initial experience be as clean as possible. i mean, who would want to continue playing a game where people gang up on you, and then heckle you as you cry foul? ofc you wouldnt want to continue in this game if thats the example of community that you see.

anyways, i believe the fix is quite simple and quite effortless: allow the mods to make judgment calls when its extremely obvious that a PGA is going on. im not saying let the mods make judgment calls in grey areas where they are 80% sure something funny is happening. im saying there exist cases where its 99.5% chance that people are cheating, and openly admitting it, and mods should have the power to punish these cases.

and, again, i dont want to be a mod, although i appreciate all you trolls calling me out for being a reverse psychologist. and leek, stop putting words in my mouth, and using my name to support your logic. from now on, before you mention my name in any of your posts, you must run the post by me first and get my approval, because im tired of you throwing my reputation under your bus. email: notworthjoestime at hotmail

Directly copy pasted from the log:

ILOVEMARICESMOM Inappropriate user name. -changeAvatar -chat -play -post Marice 10:25 PM, Tuesday December 9, 2008 CST

Really? Then what about monteshotwife...etc? That is a little overboard I think. But at the same time, I agree with monte there need to be mods who are not concerned with being in the top 100 all the time, but who also understand the politics of the higher tables...Too bad BR doesn't want to be a mod.

olkainry38
"Most of top players make silent truces with their kdice friends..."

friendship has nothing to do with it, at least not for me, and many other of the top players. knowing if the player will see the move an accsept the silent truce has everything to do with it.

"- Abilities OMFG it's so funny...An hour of this game and you have enough abilities to win a month... "

^^ that is like saying after having been to a bar a night, and made out with an average girl. you have enough knowlage to be able to bring an girl home with you ever night you are at a bar.


monte I dont think that it is that important for the mod to not wish to be in the top 100, bc if he want to be in the top 100, but limits his moding to 0 and 100 tables he will only be moding players that are of no interrest for him

There you go.

bumb for an updated monte opinion

Post # 57 is the best.

post 22 is good too.

Thraxle wrote
at 7:44 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 CST
Being a mod is a thankless job whether they do it well or not. That being said, I agree with fiero that KDice is much more difficult to moderate than the other two sites. Offensive language, posts, and avatars are easy enough, but the actual gameplay is almost impossible to gauge. This fact is made even more difficult by all of the "gray areas" that KDice has regarding what is and is not proper play (flag treatment, tourney strategy, truce etiquette).

I am one of the believers that PGA is simply not that big of a problem anymore. I play as many 2k and 5k games as anyone and I NEVER come across situations where I feel cheated. I truly mean that.........NEVER........... I can't remember the last time I saw a silent truce or a truly unfair farm that got somebody 2nd that didn't deserve it. But, it is always nice to have mods around, just in case people begin to get bad ideas. I agree that there aren't enough people with power in KDice (I never see skrum or grun on the tables) and it would be nice to at least have the illusion of lawfulness on the site.

Vermont wrote
at 7:51 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 CST
I concur with the wise lion.

Obviously thrax and verms had their heads very far up their asses when they wrote this. Or they are shit mods. You pick