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does kdice need more punishment from mods?
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the full monte wrote
at 2:49 PM, Thursday December 4, 2008 EST
this is a serious discussion.
i check out kdice.com/advisorLog about once a week, and have been pleased to see how active the xsketch mod Lei is in punishing cheating over in xsketch land. fairly frequently you will see an entire page of advisorLog filled with him catching people who write answers, who share answers over instant messaging, or people who abuse the chatbox or username choice. and he bans the annoying username people several times in a row as soon as they create new alts. i applaud this effort. i havent been to xsketch recently, but im sure Lei's vigor has a positive influence on the community. i played a few days of gpokr this month, and was pleased to see that the community there also realizes the punishment of cheating. when i used to play a long time ago, it was commonplace to transfer winnings between alt accounts. apparently that has now been deemed a punishable offense (makes sense), and people only transfer winnings as discretely as possible because they know they will lose all of the winnings if a mod catches them doing it. what im concerned with in kdice is that the mods dont (or arent allowed to) punish pga. i guess the reasoning is that it's too much of a grey area defining when play is pga and when it isnt. in my experience with kdice recently, the only people being punished are the chatbox abusers / forum abusers / username abusers. if you look at advisorLog, xsketch has far more moderation than kdice, as does gpokr. but arent there more kdice players than gpokr and xsketch combined? perhaps there are less kdice cheaters, maybe thats it. anyways, it would be nice to see some new mods (stfu johnson, i dont want to be a mod), who commit more energy to punishing cheating in kdice, not just racism/language/forum idiocy. i really appreciate the current mods, i.e. skrum, who gives us pro bono all these intriguing statistical analyses. grunvagr has all but disappeared. so now it seems Ryan is the only one holding down the fort in kdice. and its tough for him to do that when he's got 3 communities continuously bitching at him every time he tries to implement a positive change in his code. (i couldnt believe how many gpokr players were bitching about some phantom ante bug, instead of constructively helping explain why it was happening and how to fix it.) anyways, i feel we need more active mods here in kdice, and i feel they should be given the power to punish clear and admitted pgas. i believe there are some unbiased and fair people in the community who would do a good job. thoughts? trolls? |
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rigor mortis wrote
at 7:19 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST 1. lei is a woman, not a guy. 2. she'll ban people for insulting her prudish 18th-century-esque sensibilities. believe me, you don't want mods like that here. |
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:44 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST Being a mod is a thankless job whether they do it well or not. That being said, I agree with fiero that KDice is much more difficult to moderate than the other two sites. Offensive language, posts, and avatars are easy enough, but the actual gameplay is almost impossible to gauge. This fact is made even more difficult by all of the "gray areas" that KDice has regarding what is and is not proper play (flag treatment, tourney strategy, truce etiquette).
I am one of the believers that PGA is simply not that big of a problem anymore. I play as many 2k and 5k games as anyone and I NEVER come across situations where I feel cheated. I truly mean that.........NEVER........... I can't remember the last time I saw a silent truce or a truly unfair farm that got somebody 2nd that didn't deserve it. But, it is always nice to have mods around, just in case people begin to get bad ideas. I agree that there aren't enough people with power in KDice (I never see skrum or grun on the tables) and it would be nice to at least have the illusion of lawfulness on the site. |
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Vermont wrote
at 7:51 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST I concur with the wise lion.
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digdug wrote
at 8:52 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST I dont know why Ryan forced Fiero to resign as mod. Grun wouldnt recognize a PGA if he was in it, and he wouldnt do anything about it if the people admitted in chat that they cheated.
That leaves nobody with the knowledge or ability to spot a PGA. There isnt a single top player who is completely fair, who is just as likely to kill their friends as give them a favor. I think Fiero, Monte, and Cody are amongst the most knowledgeable about who is cheating. They should all be mods. |
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kdiceking* wrote
at 9:40 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST i hope your joking leek
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Thraxle wrote
at 9:56 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST Leek, most of the time I'm able to take your post seriously and at least partially hope that you are really attempting to make amends for your past transgressions..............but that was a horrible post.
and UGB...................Bite Me Stop being an antagonist. Real adults are trying to have a conversation here. Go back to your Nintendo and be silent. |
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dasfury wrote
at 10:33 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST digdug: "I dont know why Ryan forced Fiero to resign as mod. "
i hope you are joking too. |
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nuflis wrote
at 10:43 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST the full monte: "i dont want to be a mod"
I KNOW you are joking. |
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MadHat_Sam wrote
at 10:48 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST The only people outside of Ryan that have the knowledge or experiance to be a mod are people that couldn't be trusted to use that power fairly.
Fiero is the proof of this. The people that really know how this game works care too much about it and will abuse their powers and ignore the cheating of their friends and punish the cheating of those they hate. |
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digdug wrote
at 10:59 AM, Friday December 5, 2008 EST True Sam, that's why you need more than one mod.
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