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What should be done?
Ryan wrote
at 10:14 AM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Looks like every time I think I'm finished with changes and things look stable the KDice people find another hole to exploit.

I agree that you shouldn't be able to buy first place (even though that little race paid for the server for last month). The reason it was possible was that it was a bug introduced when kdice moved to its own server and member bonuses were added. I knew about the bug but didn't think it would be used this way.

As for bomb being played buy multiple people I can't think of any solution to this. I don't think there's any way to prevent this. Although the leagues idea is probably the best step. That idea is where different leagues of play are introduced that have different play parameters. For example, 16 dice, ELO scores, or a maximum number of games in a day. Its a cool idea but kdice needs probably 10x the population to make it useful.

Anyway, just posting to get your thoughts on how last months top 3 should be handled.


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Pat Whalen wrote
at 3:13 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Dicey, i already made it clear that you deserved second, and i don't think you would have a problem with my solution to the problem. Also, you really must stop referring to Bomb as a team, he is ONE, extremely dedicated player, with a lot of time on his hands. The fact that he had people cover him for two turns at a time does not justify calling him a cheater.
Pat Whalen wrote
at 3:18 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Hipocrites...? you are such a damn joke. I did not once "beg" Ryan to help me win, i told him Chris was being handed points and he asked me to explain, and i told him what happened, during which time the rest of the people in the room were supporting what i was saying and acknowledging it to be true. I will say again as i said before, I did not ask for Ryan to give me anything. I gave him the facts and he made a decision from there.
sunvic wrote
at 3:31 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Hypocrites*

this thread is full of reaaaaaallly long posts, could someone who has been reading summarise all the good ideas that have been put forward to the question asked,

''What should be done?''
ltsply2 wrote
at 3:36 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
No problem Sunvic...

1) Ryan is a terrible admin.
2) Everybody loves drama.
3) Nothing will change.

2Funny wrote
at 3:38 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Btw, read this carefully. This is a qoute from Ryan's post :

"As for bomb being played buy multiple people I can't think of any solution to this. I don't think there's any way to prevent this. Although the leagues idea is probably the best step. That idea is where different leagues of play are introduced that have different play parameters. For example, 16 dice, ELO scores, or a maximum number of games in a day. Its a cool idea but kdice needs probably 10x the population to make it useful. "
Pat Whalen wrote
at 3:42 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
read this one sunvic:

First of all, i stick by Bomb in the fact that he did not let multiple people play his account. The only thing he "admitted" doing was having someone play a couple turns for him while he was parking a car so he didn't lose and even when doing this, he would have instructed them as to what they should do. The incredible amount of games he played was quite definitively explained by the fact that he is a PARKING LOT ATTENDANT and can literally sit there all day playing kdice. I'm sick of people making baseless accusations about someone who was clearly very dedicated to the game, and obviously wanted nothing more than to win a month to show people that his strategy of playing incredible amounts of games on lower tables could triumph.

Second of all, WIsh, i don't think that i saw one person on any of the MANY threads about what happened yesterday say that you or Dicey cheated. The general consensus was that is was a fairly pathetic move and although you call it "using all of your resources" to win the game, this feature is not meant to be PART of the game. It seems rather trivial to pay for points you didn't earn, in order to get a trophy you don't deserve, but i suppose that is your prerogative.

As a side note to this whole debate, some of your points, wish, were in fact bought after midnight (i was watching it closely) and for some reason they still counted. So in reality the last about ten thousand points you bought were bought on May 1st and should therefore be included your score for May, not April.

That being said, i would think there are only three legitimate options:
1) Strip the bonus points purchased on the final day of the month, and return the money on the basis that it was a glitch in the first place.
-However, as you said Ryan, that money payed for the server for the month, so this, although being the popular choice, is probably not in your best interest.
2) Leave things exactly as they are, and change nothing.
-However, this would be extremely unfair to Bomb, who worked very hard for his win, and lets not forget, to Jer, who got screwed out of third, a position he earned as-well.
3) Allow Wish to keep his gold medal, and give Bomb's bronze medal to Jer and award Bomb with a gold medal as-well.
-This seems like the most fair and just move to make. I believe it would please everyone and solve all of the problems. Although what wish did was shady, he did not do anything wrong, and therefore, should not be punished. But, at the same time Bomb was clearly the one who deserved the win and should be given what is rightfully his. As Dicey would have been in second anyways, it seems like she just wasted money, but her position is still legitimate. And, as giving Bomb a gold medal would free open third, Jer would receive the position he deserved as-well. You could then move everyone up one rank or just leave 4th empty. I would hope and assume that there would not be anyone who would be unsatisfied with this solution.
Les Claypool wrote
at 3:47 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Shut up, Pat.
2Funny wrote
at 3:49 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Out of words Pat?
nuflis wrote
at 3:49 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
Congrats on first, wish.

Thx for asking, Ryan, but leave things as they are. People have found their way to win (or to try it), if there are any bugs, and it's easy for you, fix it.
wishbone wrote
at 4:05 PM, Thursday May 1, 2008 EDT
I tallied what is being said for a summary so far without long posts:

14 say to Stay
6 say to change

This is arguable as some have posted about a compromise/change so i counted most of those as change. i tried to keep counting ones that blatantly stated either STAY or change. also did not count multiple posts by the same person.
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