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How to act when you first sit at high tables
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montecarlo wrote
at 7:34 AM, Thursday December 6, 2007 EST
this is in response to olk's reply in ryan's thread about pga = cheating. i didnt want to sidetrack that thread, but i did want to reply to olk's comment:
"The most part of the top players are friendly with a lots of other top players and find them randomly at tables. They have tendency to attack the new coming they don't know. For me it is as a PGA..." --olk i totally agree with you on this point. this is the way it has always been. back in january when i first made an appearance on the top tables (2000s i think), everyone knew that the elitist bastards who were 2000 regulars would pwn your ass immediately and shoot you back down to the 1800 tables. in light of this, i decided to be nice when i first made it up there. i took my 5th like a man, and went back to 1800. i had a decent shot at 3rd, maybe 2nd, but then they all realized that i was a 2000 noob and they wanted to reward each other. i understood. and didnt bitch about it. and told them it was cool. and their reaction: they raised their collective eyebrow, and said they would remember my charm. so the next time i played 2000, the same thing happened all over again. the third time, the castle burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. BUT THE FOURTH TIME, i had enough positive memory on the 2000 tables that they let me keep the 2nd place that i earned. and they let me stay in their circle. psychologically, this all makes sense. if you play with the same group of people for hundreds of games, and you respect the way they play and their personality, then you will tend to help them when given the choice of help them or help someone you dont know. so i decided that i needed these 2000 people to get to know me, you know, cus i think im a pretty nice guy. and after 4 games of getting pwnd by them, they decided i was a nice guy, and i had a good personality. now, if you want to make it EXTREMELY hard to stay at the high tables, the ABSOLUTE worst thing you can do is bitch at them when they gang up and hand you a 5th instead of your deserved 2nd/3rd. the other TERRIBLE thing you can do is, while bitching, call them all PGAs. especially in this day and era, where pgas are officially cheaters. based on my experience, on all tables of all levels, whenever i call someone a cheater, they will ALWAYS attack me for several games in a row after that. so, a quick overview. to stay on the high tables: 1) be humble, take your undeserved 5th place like a man, and make a joke about it (people love humor in kdice). 2) never accuse the upper tables of pga as soon as you are sent to a lower table. honestly, i think this is good advice. even from an american! |
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integral wrote
at 3:02 PM, Tuesday December 11, 2007 EST Jeff for president!
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lesplaydices wrote
at 4:20 PM, Tuesday December 11, 2007 EST tl:dr
that goes for this entire thread. |
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¤Unique¤ wrote
at 2:42 AM, Wednesday December 12, 2007 EST Montecarlo you do have very twisted view on how respect is earned and to whom it is given. You giving respect to a proven cheater like Integral really tells it all. See people like Integral do not deserve any respect whatsoever and also don't get any other than from their friends (people who they cheat with) and that my friends does not count. Even completely new player to Kdice deserves more respect than people like Integral. That new player may well turn out to be not worth of any but at least that newbie has yet to do anything lame or wrong like Integral for example has done.
In fact I would not say Integral is any better or more skilled than any newbie out there because simply put every single newbie can "achieve" the same he did by cheating like he did. There is absolutely no skill involved in that. Respect is earned and it for sure is not earned by cheating. By the way friend ship and respect are two separate things. One does not automatically follow the other. |
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¤Unique¤ wrote
at 2:46 AM, Wednesday December 12, 2007 EST Btw. RND you can stop making your useless posts. You are nothing but a lame cheater. I wonder do you even know what word strategy actually means. The way you played has nothing to do with actual strategy. At beast it could be called social engineering.
How about making this dice game an actual game of strategy and not a game of pre game alliances. You know choosing who to attack or not and when and who to truce with and not when etc. are all strategy. |
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Ph- wrote
at 8:01 AM, Monday March 16, 2009 EDT Read this shit, seriously.
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nunes wrote
at 8:18 PM, Monday February 8, 2010 EST thanks monte + grun <3
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the full monte wrote
at 9:19 PM, Monday February 8, 2010 EST my ego thanks you for the bump nunes :)
i reread the entire thread :( my thoughts this time around: it doesnt require kissing asses constantly. just kiss asses and take your beating for a handful of games (if you are good at earning respect, it takes less than five). then you have hardly anything to worry about, because the community will start vouching for you to other members of the community that havent played with you yet. once you get them telling each other "nunes is cool in my experience," the battle is over, you have won. i noticed i reposted like 30 posts later about an account named Venezuela who names every fuckin PGA he ran into... HA, who knew that that was fiero the whole time. nicely done, jesse. i also said that no one has ever won a month without having the respect of the majority of the top tables. pat whalen became the precedent just a few months later. congrats pat, you asshole turd. ;) |
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its really chase wrote
at 11:40 PM, Monday February 8, 2010 EST thats not the only way to succeed tho monte. i mean, for you and the people who play like you, it a whole lot better. if youre more into making people feel sorry for you and therefore less likely to attack you, then yeah. but that isnt how most people rise to the top and stay there
without going into a long winded explanation, the best way to play top tables consistently is to play smart. the n00b needs to watch a few games and just observe a player that has a lot of medals and try to figure out why he is made a certain move or why he didnt make a certain move. notice what he says in the chatbox. the biggest problem i see from people making the transition into the higher tables is that the culture on the <500 tables is one of flagging, whereas the >500 tables' culture is one of trucing. most of them say that this is unfair and usually causes the n00b to scream OMG OMG PGA, PIG FAWKERS DIE! and that wont get them anywhere (okay the PIG FAWKERS part might) but as i stated before, its more of a case of the n00bs not noticing the finer parts of the game: people moving to clear up a connect, someone moving a large stack away in good faith, one player not eating your tail, etc. the n00b usually notices these things and takes advantage of the niceness of others and doesnt reciprocate. when i first made it into the 'top player culture' so to speak, it wasnt because of my kiss-assing skills, it was because i could actually beat them occasionally. albeit it was mostly because of the member tournies that were free to the non-paying public that i entered. i didnt win all of them, but i won a few of them, and it was enough to make them actually remember 'hey, this kid isnt a complete dumbass, maybe i can move out of his connect and he wont wreck me.' then a couple of months later, i got to know trav and cody, and the rest as they say, is history wow, remember when i said this wasnt going to be a long winded explanation? i lied. long story short: dont be dumb, kick ass, gain respect, play top tables like a champ |
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:25 AM, Tuesday February 9, 2010 EST So is that really Chase, or am I failing my ALT100 class again?
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the full monte wrote
at 8:53 AM, Tuesday February 9, 2010 EST chase, my whole argument lies on the assumption that when you reach the top tables, you are just as good strategically as anyone else there, and that you play smart just like them (not eating tails, not taking advantage of their kindness, etc etc, like you said).
but even if you play that way, you will still get boned for like 4 games or so because the top player group will (subconsciously) target you instead of people they KNOW they can trust. once you earn that respect after those few games, then youre golden. like you said, once cody and trav got to know you, you were a made man. i think we are preaching to each others choir here. |
