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Fatman_x takes the 2010 TAZD; computation of complete standings in progress.
Posted By: skrumgaer at 6:51 PM, Saturday January 1, 2011 EST
Here are Fatman_x's final stats:
1631 22% 16% 13% 12% 10% 11% 11% 22535 Fatman_x
Olkainry38 did not play any additional games after Dec 21.
Here were the two leaders on Dec 21:
1591 22% 16% 13% 13% 10% 11% 11% 21975 Fatman_x
0894 22% 20% 16% 13% 11% 08% 07% 21798 olkainry38
The November scores are below. They were recomputed when I found I had been using the 2009 datum instead of the 2010 datum.
The Test Against Zero Datum (TAZD) is a weighted sum of the squares of the differences between a player's percentage profile and the profile of a typical player with a zero score, adjusted according to the square root of the number of games played. If you would like to enter the cumulative TAZD competition for 2010, reply to this thread in the account that you want to enter.
In 2010, the cumulative TAZD began in April, because some January, February, and March profiles had corrupted percentages.
A minimum of sixty regular games per month was required.
Entries show number of games, percentages, and player name.
A minimum of 540 regular games played was required to remain in the standings as of December 31.
Here are the end of November standings with the new datum.
0815 22% 20% 16% 13% 11% 09% 07% 20192 olkainry38
1324 22% 16% 13% 13% 10% 13% 11% 19645 Fatman_x
0886 21% 18% 18% 13% 11% 08% 07% 19382 the full monte
1612 15% 19% 16% 14% 14% 11% 07% 17412 Xar
2297 18% 15% 14% 15% 13% 13% 10% 17190 Fonias
1282 19% 15% 14% 14% 13% 13% 09% 14698 ProxyCheater
1089 19% 16% 12% 15% 13% 12% 09% 14359 ZIGIBOOM
1817 16% 18% 12% 10% 11% 13% 16% 14038 cool g
0731 18% 22% 12% 10% 08% 11% 16% 14010 leeroy jenkins
1810 19% 14% 12% 12% 13% 15% 12% 13270 caesar-blue
2990 13% 11% 11% 08% 09% 10% 34% 12928 noamlang1
0519 21% 15% 18% 11% 12% 08% 12% 12080 chaiNblade
1597 19% 14% 09% 09% 10% 13% 24% 11916 greekboi
0769 22% 14% 09% 13% 13% 13% 14% 11355 dasfury
1054 18% 14% 13% 13% 12% 11% 15% 09627 yellowfin
0698 17% 15% 10% 13% 14% 14% 13% 06707 speciale528
0662 17% 14% 12% 12% 13% 13% 15% 06340 AlexBallDrop
1122 11% 15% 15% 14% 11% 12% 18% 05785 pooch723
1625 16% 12% 11% 10% 12% 15% 22% 06512 kendawg
0613 14% 11% 17% 11% 11% 15% 16% 04945 vIRGI
1631 22% 16% 13% 12% 10% 11% 11% 22535 Fatman_x
Olkainry38 did not play any additional games after Dec 21.
Here were the two leaders on Dec 21:
1591 22% 16% 13% 13% 10% 11% 11% 21975 Fatman_x
0894 22% 20% 16% 13% 11% 08% 07% 21798 olkainry38
The November scores are below. They were recomputed when I found I had been using the 2009 datum instead of the 2010 datum.
The Test Against Zero Datum (TAZD) is a weighted sum of the squares of the differences between a player's percentage profile and the profile of a typical player with a zero score, adjusted according to the square root of the number of games played. If you would like to enter the cumulative TAZD competition for 2010, reply to this thread in the account that you want to enter.
In 2010, the cumulative TAZD began in April, because some January, February, and March profiles had corrupted percentages.
A minimum of sixty regular games per month was required.
Entries show number of games, percentages, and player name.
A minimum of 540 regular games played was required to remain in the standings as of December 31.
Here are the end of November standings with the new datum.
0815 22% 20% 16% 13% 11% 09% 07% 20192 olkainry38
1324 22% 16% 13% 13% 10% 13% 11% 19645 Fatman_x
0886 21% 18% 18% 13% 11% 08% 07% 19382 the full monte
1612 15% 19% 16% 14% 14% 11% 07% 17412 Xar
2297 18% 15% 14% 15% 13% 13% 10% 17190 Fonias
1282 19% 15% 14% 14% 13% 13% 09% 14698 ProxyCheater
1089 19% 16% 12% 15% 13% 12% 09% 14359 ZIGIBOOM
1817 16% 18% 12% 10% 11% 13% 16% 14038 cool g
0731 18% 22% 12% 10% 08% 11% 16% 14010 leeroy jenkins
1810 19% 14% 12% 12% 13% 15% 12% 13270 caesar-blue
2990 13% 11% 11% 08% 09% 10% 34% 12928 noamlang1
0519 21% 15% 18% 11% 12% 08% 12% 12080 chaiNblade
1597 19% 14% 09% 09% 10% 13% 24% 11916 greekboi
0769 22% 14% 09% 13% 13% 13% 14% 11355 dasfury
1054 18% 14% 13% 13% 12% 11% 15% 09627 yellowfin
0698 17% 15% 10% 13% 14% 14% 13% 06707 speciale528
0662 17% 14% 12% 12% 13% 13% 15% 06340 AlexBallDrop
1122 11% 15% 15% 14% 11% 12% 18% 05785 pooch723
1625 16% 12% 11% 10% 12% 15% 22% 06512 kendawg
0613 14% 11% 17% 11% 11% 15% 16% 04945 vIRGI
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the full monte wrote
at 2:10 PM, Monday November 15, 2010 EST in the end, 7ths suck. but some 7ths are better than others. if you were to measure the points i get for 5th-7th versus the points that sam gets for 5th-7th, it would be laughable how badly he would destroy me. its just that i have way less 5th-7ths than he does.
so its a tough dilemma here, you dont want to penalize sam, because he really has perfected his method of maximizing dom points over gaining placement points, and we can all agree that sam is a demigod at kdice. so if you make a stat that simply penalizes 5ht-7th, it would make sam appear less skillful than, say, me. which i can attest is not the case. the only solution i can think of off the top of my head is to somehow include the %DOM in the skill stat. so whereas i gain skill on sam in the 1st->7th distribution stat, he gains it back in the %DOM stat. try to add that as a tweak to your ASR chloe, maybe just a simple multiplicative factor... or a squared one. whatever gives career results that put sam slightly better than me, that should be just about right. and lol, that would be a hilarious scale, from monte->sam. heh. |
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the full monte wrote
at 2:12 PM, Monday November 15, 2010 EST its like a myers-briggs test category for kdice. if you tend to whine and be wussy more, you are an M, if you tend to be more aggressive and detached, you are an S.
sorry this is a tangent. |
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skrumgaer wrote
at 2:24 PM, Monday November 15, 2010 EST monte:
That's an interesting idea about the dom stat. Which brings up the question, how is it calculated? My first (and only) five games for November have all been on zero level tables where there is supposedly no dom, but the games have dom percentages. |
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the full monte wrote
at 2:54 PM, Monday November 15, 2010 EST since i focus more on placement than dom, i don't know all the particulars of the dom calc. MadHat_Sam has the most experience/knowledge about how dom works i think. i've heard rumors and grumblings about not flagging until round 3, and then flagging as soon as you realize you wont be able to hold any more territory.
but i guess thats more concerning the strategy of how to maximize dom. as far as how kdice generates the number that is outputted onto every player's stats page... i dunno. i'll email Ryan, maybe he'll get back to me, i'll keep you updated if so. |
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Vermont wrote
at 9:07 PM, Monday November 15, 2010 EST Why are we even discussing modifying the tazd which is inherently flawed as a measure of skill (see noamlang who is still in top 4 with 35% 7ths.)
The ASR is much closer to what we're trying to achieve, and would most likely still be closer even if dom were factored into the tazd. Now, dom factored in to the asr would rock. |
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superxchloe wrote
at 9:46 PM, Monday November 15, 2010 EST Verms: How do you propose integrating dom into the asr or tazd?
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Vermont wrote
at 8:38 AM, Tuesday November 16, 2010 EST I don't have a better way than what's already been discussed; I just want the focus to be on modifying the better algorithm rather than the flawed one.
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superxchloe wrote
at 11:04 AM, Tuesday November 16, 2010 EST I'll work on it.
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snow leopard wrote
at 2:10 PM, Tuesday November 16, 2010 EST dom makes no sense when you win 1st in a game it shows up as 100% in ur stats every time
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superxchloe wrote
at 4:09 PM, Tuesday November 16, 2010 EST after watching a couple games dom percentage doesn't appear to have a correlation with dom points. BUT I am pretty sure dom percentage = percent of claimed territories remaining (neuts don't count) that belong to you the round before you die/the round you flag out. This is why it's always 100 when you win- all the remaining claimed territories are yours.
I'm not positive about this but for the last couple games I watched this held true with the last people flagging out. I didn't check on the lower places so I might be wrong, but this is a start. What this means though is that dom percentage doesn't correlate directly with dom points so there is no way to integrate dom into the asr accurately. |
