@Immigrant:
I'm sorry to conclude that you just don't get it. Ofc I was trolling the other thread and I don't mind trolling in general. My bragging and taling of a contributor badge was just another troll - thanks for finally taking it. I was afraid it went unnoticed.

I did oppose the 44 days in thread and others years ago - I'm pretty much alone with that opinion. No reason not to repeat it occasionally but I can live with most democratic decisions even if they are not in good agreement with my opinion.

Comparing the rating of a substantially delayed reaction to tragic and very bad incident to committing the incident is so way out of line, it is impossible to comment on this without getting extremely offensive. I'm not like you so I won't be that harsh. EOD, discussing with stupidity is like fighting gravity - you lose. I don't intentionally enter controversies that stand no chance to come up with anything positive. Have a bad day.

@getting_revolt:
Excellent post. Thank you very much. Very much to the point and awesome analysis. I fully agree with all your points and conclusions. Let me just add 2 points.

One is that the "First Ammendment" is a US-specific thing. Ryan is, up to my knowledge, Canadian so that won't catch here. In addition - the US might be great or whatever, but it is 1 among very many countries so the 1st Ammendment isn't really a point in an international discussion. I am reacting a little bit allergic to US-citizens seening the rest of the world as something like the 51st state. Might be a mistake by mine but I see it happening too often (for my maybe oversensitive observations).

The other is that if you don't like what Ryan comes up with, you are free to move on to the uncounted other opportunities to discuss and waste time the internet provides. That's what makes this place so wonderful - you can leave any time. And if Ryan was to exaggerate on censorship or whatever, that'd be bad for business as well. No visitors, no advertisement... I thus think he is thinking well of his actions - the time this site is living proofs his job being done well.

@getting_revolt

Shit post. Why do you assume that Ryans only purpose of this site is to make money? Rather than putting the wishes of the community first.

The dude has other ways to make the cash on the site. Through donations and people paying for subscriptions. Plenty of advertisers will still pay, despite the occasional dodgy picture. If Qatar airways wants to be picky / doesn't believe in satire, then I say fuck them.

But guess I should shut up before I get told not to have an opinion.

@Immigrant: I did not (and do not) assume that Ryan's _only_ purpose on this site is to make money. I said that we should assume that the rules of this sites should serve his "interests", which indeed could include having a thriving and happy community besides making money for him (through adverts, donations and subscription fees).

But are Hitler avatars strictly necessary for a happy community? I'm not really sure about that - some might find them funny, some might not care and yet others might be genuinely offended. (Not me though, I'm in the "don't care" group.)

"Putting the community first" sounds nice, but at the end of the day, Ryan too has to pay the bills, just like everyone else. So even if he's not a "homo oeconomicus", a perfectly rational profit maximizing individual, he could aim for a reasonable compromise - a reasonably profitable site with a reasonably happy community.

@Louis: I'm not an American myself either, the "First Amendment" is just the ultimate argument that people crying censorship often cite, but you can find an analogy in most other democratic countries. In Germany (and most other countries on the European continent), the freedom of expression could be codified in the constitution (Grundgesetz), but again, that's mostly irrelevant for KDice.

>"Are hitler avatars strictly necessary for a happy community?"

No. But Hitler avatars are different. As the vast majority of people who were affected by the guy, think he was a prick. Especially Jews.

The difference with Stalin is obvious. People such as Louis Cypher argue that he affected the lives of many "groups" in Russia, and he isn't "forgotten". Thing is "Half of Russians remain positive about Stalin" and view him as a hero.

Proof: http://rbth.com/society/2013/03/04/half_of_russians_remain_positive_about_stalin_23503.html

Half of Russias population is 73 million people. And you cunts are telling me that you want to restrict having a picture of a hero for millions of people?

So to answer your question had you put Stalin instead of Hitler, I would have said yes it would affect happiness for all those Russians out there that view him as a hero.

Anyway, as I say, I fail to see why there are double standards here. If you want to put restrictions on the site, then what about George Bush?

George W Bush's war crimes are far more recent, and many people (i.e most of the middle east) haven't forgotten about the cunt either.

Makes no sense to me. Everyone seems to be pretty silent about that.

> "Ryan too has to pay the bills"

I never said he didn't. But I'm sure one or two companies not wanting adverts on a small online dice game isn't going to destroy his bank.

This isn't a democracy.

This isn't a debate. It's a policy.

Avatars will be dealt with on a case by case basis.

If you want to talk about separate issues, you can create another topic thread. I think I've been clear, and I've been fair. Integral has been very, very reasonable and fair.

" If you want to talk about separate issues, you can create another topic thread"

Mate you're on a power trip. You posted this link on the discussion part of the website. If you don't want people to discuss something that you posted, then I'd advise you to post it elsewhere. Maybe on the rules section in future? https://kdice.com/rules

And, I wouldn't say you have any real set policies. You banned my picture, whereas integral (good on him) said he wouldn't ban it. Seems like you just got bullied in school and wanna tell everyone what to do. No wonder why you needed to specify this isn't a democracy. When quite clearly, we all know it isn't. Thing is community input is still a thing around here, so you can't expect people not to weigh their opinions here.

Also I thought you didn't like dictators bro? The irony. Maybe we should ban pictures of crabs in the sea too?

Why ban pictures of dictators? They could have repented at the last minute.

Immigrant couldn't contain himself and resorted to personal attacks, then followed to a table and continued the tirade.

There's a 72 hour play-only restriction on your account as a result. After these 3 days you get full privs back - but if you circumvent the ban it becomes a much lengthier ban including no play and applies to all alts.

Learn where the line is. Stop acting like a child.

"Immigrant couldn't contain himself and resorted to personal attacks, then followed to a table and continued the tirade. "

Huh? You banned me for personal attacks? Lol, you're full of shit.

Your reason for banning me is fabricated. The link to the game is here: https://kdice.com/games/74618302 I'm yet to see any personal attacks. I just asked a question, on one table that I saw you playing at.

You're on a powertrip bro. You obviously wanted me banned, as you can't even justify your own double standards and in that game you kept threatening a ban if I didn't leave. Thing is, I obeyed you. I left the game at 7:00 (immigrant has left), watch the video for proof. You then decide to ban me at 8:05? Over a minute later.

Learn where the line is. Stop acting like a far left, dumb dictator... and accept that not everyone has to agree with your newly created "rules" that have double standards (i.e. why only some mass-murdering politicians and not others), and why the ban on Stalin considering over 50% of Russia's populace remain positive about the guy?

You get the ability to talk back and you do this; resort to insults, mimic my words, paint a murderous dictator as a popular guy, and continue to be inflammatory. I already said the discussion was done with.

I'm removing your posting ability until the end of the month. I'm going to consistently enforce my own precedent and try and be consistent. Letting this post slide -your first one back- would be the opposite of that.