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Smoke Two Joints wrote
at 11:36 PM, Tuesday February 3, 2015 EST
Should just go back to being Russia.
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Fatman_x wrote
at 2:10 AM, Saturday February 14, 2015 EST As i told, i dont give a fuck who will rule cause my country have only 5 millions citizens so we will be 'bitch' of whoever rule. But US could be destroyed in less than 2 years, http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/Currency-Wars-US-Dollar/2013/02/06/id/489231/
so basicly if foregin countries will insist US will have to return all debt and gold reserves of US already reduced pretty badly (to those who dont understand macro economy i will try to simplify it) all countries have their own curency, so since their curency are diferent they have to had common mesure, that is gold. Basicly, if you have 100kg of gold and 100 $ then one $ is worth 1kg of gold (pretty valuable) for last 10 years china gathered so many dollars and forced US to print more that if China and OPEC release all the dolars in their possesion dollar would devalve several times and US would fall apart without single bullet. Total bankrupcy, in that case US would have 2 solutions, sell almost all what they have (concesions and similar shit) or go in total war with everyone. Basicly MMF is here to prevent wars cause of economic disbalance, but they cant blackmail anybody to do anything, they can only sugest. BRICS is future ruler of the world (i am not to happy that we all will have to learn chinese, hard language to learn... :D ). so to put it in short, if china release dolars in their possesions, put it on market world be overhelmed by dollars and it would be worth like toilet paper and it would be US colaps, that is why they cause wars, to steal other countrys treasures and sell the weapons to the other sides along with it. |
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chiefKeef wrote
at 2:42 AM, Saturday February 14, 2015 EST bitch are you retarded why would china try to collapse their main cash cow
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Fatman_x wrote
at 3:28 AM, Saturday February 14, 2015 EST LOL chief you braindamaged piece of shit... I told i dont give a fuck cause my country wont rule for sure, was just explaining why US are storming around the world. If they stop taking sides in conflicts 2 of their most valuable income sources would dissapear. 1. taking resurces 'for reward' from countries hit by war and 2. weapon industry cause they wouldnt have market where to sell weapons if there is no wars on the world. But when someone else try to do something like that they pretend to be a saint's... Dont be so naive dude... You really think that Obama and rest of the govermont feels sorry bout some ukrainian's on the other side of the world??? They are there to get money...
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Zuma wrote
at 8:10 AM, Saturday February 14, 2015 EST Hope u die in pain, Slinus :)
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CriticalDog wrote
at 3:21 PM, Monday February 16, 2015 EST EVERY nation on Earth does what the US does. The reason it seems so much bigger coming from the US is because we are bigger... bigger economy, bigger cultural influence, etc. etc. It's not right, it's not wrong, it just IS. It's the world of politics.
If anything, folks seem to never get that while we are on top, we have been waaaaay more gentle with our power than previous super powers. Look what the ones before us and the Soviets did... Spain in the New World, Britain in India and Asia, France in Asia and pretty much every Euro power in Africa. We have been benevolent angels by comparison. |
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CriticalDog wrote
at 3:25 PM, Monday February 16, 2015 EST And Joints, in a purely conventional war, it's not the US vs. Russia... it would be NATO vs. Russia and maybe Belarus. Maybe.
And in that fight, Russia doesn't stand a chance. Not for long. It would be a very brutal fight, initially, while NATO churned through front line leading edge forces of Russian military, and when those were gone the Russians would collapse. Nobody on Earth can project the kind of power the US can, as fast as we can, and we have logistical abilities that are currently truly unique. Russians make good equipment, but their production is slow, their industry is hampered by deep and abiding corruption, and their soldiers are significantly less motivated. Remember, the bulk of the Russian army is conscripts, and the US military is 100% volunteer. |
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Smoke Two Joints wrote
at 5:27 PM, Monday February 16, 2015 EST What what what? In a fight vs the US it would be NATO and the US???? Reality time for CD. NATO = US army. NATO can't even move it's own troops around without US military help. Europe is completely dependent on US military power.
I never said that the US couldn't militarily defeat Russia in a conventional war but we would never conquer Russia so what would be the point? We beat the Iraqi army and suffered 10 losses and then lost over 5 thousand during the occupation. We never lost a battle in Vietnam either but the war was still considered a loss. There is much more involved with victory than purely the battlefield. If we went to war with Russia we would have to conscript to win. Our volunteer army only works in small combat rolls. |
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flagsrweak wrote
at 7:18 PM, Monday February 16, 2015 EST "And in that fight, Russia doesn't stand a chance. Not for long. It would be a very brutal fight, initially, while NATO churned through front line leading edge forces of Russian military, and when those were gone the Russians would collapse."
And then you could wake up. ;-) You could imagine a "purely conventional" war with no nukes, no "polite, armed men" etc. but it just won't happen. Like ever. Putin might not be a fan of democracy and may fail to abide by the rules of the international community but he's a shrewd politician. In Ukraine, he has employed every trick in the book to maintain plausible deniability and divide American allies in Europe. Granted, most of them condemns Russia over the atrocities in Ukraine. But the economic sanctions have already proven unpopular with some of the business players in Germany and some lesser allies in Central Europe. They might have agreed that these measures were necessary, but some of them, including Germany still oppose American plans to provide arms and equipment to Ukraine. How many of them would wholeheartedly support direct American intervention against Russia? Not too many. And as soon as the first body bags would return home to the US, even the American public would question whether such a war was really a necessity. In Russia the people are willing to endure the hardships brought on by the war because they are proud and grateful that Putin could retake Crimea that was given away by the damned Ukrainian First Secretary of the USSR. For them, Putin is a hero and he can count on their support... |
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Fatman_x wrote
at 2:22 AM, Tuesday February 17, 2015 EST exactly my point flags... NATO wont chalenge seriously any country with nuclear weapons. They dont want to make serious chalenge with north korea wich have them like 10 and they wont chalenge russia for sure cause russia have so many nuclear heads that you can buy them in the store next to your house... no matter what side would lose convencional war it would release all nuclear weapons when they see that they will lose. I am from croatia and our economy is even more fucked up cause of embargo with russia cause we cant export our resources to them. I told BRICS can make mess, not russia alone, as i told that china can destroy US without a bullet same thing BRICS would be able to do to NATO if they become military aliance... I hope it wont happend cause i dont want to be comunist by politics and budhist by religion but fact is whole worlds facts and stats say that we move that way. Just check what countries crisis hit the most. China, Russia and India all 3 are nuclear power with over half population of earth. Those 3 combined are self suficient (russian energy natural resources and military technology) (chinese industry and mass production) (india natural resources in food, water and other necessary things). I am interested in this and study this like 15 years. They was called 'asian sleeping tigers' 20 years ago cause it was clear with so many population and natural resources they just need technology to exploit them to start to overtake power. And by population and military: Chinese army have so many active soldiers as whole united states population and after mobilization they can bring almost 2 times bigger than whole US. China alone can mobilize so many soldiers as whole NATO and trust me, they dont fight with bambus sticks like on the movies... and if you add Russia and India... that is why whole Europe and North america watch them closely... Center of economical power is moving on east and far east and in the future by prediction of many people military center of power also.
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Fatman_x wrote
at 2:42 AM, Tuesday February 17, 2015 EST And CD, are you aware that in like 70% of russia temperatures are between -10 and -60 celsius. Their army is trained for that conditions, and US army? Hitler lost war against Russia cause of winter, Napoleon occupied almost whole Russia then got frozen and fall back... Check that also and take that in the consider when you make 'calculations'. And one more thing what every army officer with expirience will tell you, for efficient attack you need odds over 3:1 cause it isnt same if you charge or fly and if you shot from bunker or launch S-300 to destroy airplane.
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