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summer banning spree
jurgen wrote
at 9:21 AM, Monday August 19, 2013 EDT
Even though I prefer letting the top players govern themselves as much as possible, I need to step in again and sound the alarm.

The main bans concern Slinus, Ali/integral and Jesse/nightfury. There has been some massive point funneling, including on the test server. @ Int, you pga'ed and shared yet another account so as your ban comment states, don't expect your old main back soon.

Some things go way back until February 2013. It was clear that Jesse helped Slinus to her first gold but also that some others helped too. Anyway, I left it all unpunished because I stand by my rule that I only want to ban when I'm completely sure about my case.

It's hard to look inside someone else's brain (or chatlogs) so that's why some people get the benefit of the doubt. But that doesn't mean things don't add up or that I "forget" about stuff over time.

Everything came together this month and I think it's time to end some things that are going out of control. Some banned people might yell "Hey but I didn't do anything this month, why do I get a ban now?". Well maybe that's not ideal but it is still deserved.

Also I expect some mad people saying they don't pga, only otf. Well, maybe you tell yourself that and it might actually fool yourself. Some people seem to think that pga means never attacking each other, or always saving each other or constantly communicating via an external chatbox. Well if you put it that way, no one pga's and everyone is otf.

OK so here's the thing. There's a whole bunch of players that I could have given a warning ban too. Again, I only banned when completely sure and I hope I would have been wrong about all or most of the others anyway.

I'm not even going list a bunch of warned people. Everyone should just assume they are warned and if you think you're playing ok, fine, please enjoy yourself.

But it might just be a good thing to evaluate your playstyle with your biggest otf (if you have any) now and then. And I know it's hard to draw the line between pga and otf. It's impossible to say OK you can do this but not this. Every thing is so game related and it depends on the frequency of the otf favors that you give.

So, in conclusion, I can't explain or define where the line between pga and otf is. BUT WHAT I CAN DEFINE is when someone has clearly crossed the line. So if you want to be safe, stay as far away from the imaginary line as you can.

That doesn't mean you can't trust or truce people that you know. It simply means you attack them when it's your best move to win the game. Or when they don't flag you but you have a +2 stack on them to clean up their entire base. Anyway, it actually shouldn't be THAT hard to have some common sense.

PS: I hardly banned any alts of people but I expect everyone to not play alts until the end of the month. If I see alts being played anyway, they will be banned too and the first ban could become longer.

PPS: thanks Sophie/Slinus for owning up to the cheating (after a bit of denying at first :P) and accepting the ban.

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jurgen wrote
at 11:18 AM, Sunday September 1, 2013 EDT
also, if you think he's still cheating so much, just watch him for a while and get an easy permaban ;)
Slinus wrote
at 5:52 AM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
jurgen said if I help him doing some gardening work, he'll grant me immunity from -play for 1 year.
Vermont wrote
at 9:45 AM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
Jurg, if it were only up to me, he would have been perma-banned long ago.
jurgen wrote
at 10:29 AM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
Slinus, you forgot to mention the fineprint where it said that it had to be done topless and had to be finished by the end of this week.

Vermont, it IS only up to you if you really want to. If you think he had to be permabanned in the past, do it. I'll even back you up :). And I'm not trying to be nasty, there's just no supernice way to say it. Imho, it's just a bit easy to say you would have permabanned him when it have been others who actually banned him for cheating (sorry if I missed your bans). And just because someone else banned, doesn't mean you can't intervene or use the mod forum to propose a permaban. Alright, got it off my chest, I feel beter now :)
Slinus wrote
at 11:37 AM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
You did not mention this premise before!
But alright, I can do topless.
Vermont wrote
at 12:09 PM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
The reason I never permabanned is precisely because I wasn't involved in any of the other banning instances; I agree with you that it would be odd. I only said that because of the level and nature of the offenses involved.

I would love an invite to the mod forum you speak of. (Perhaps I received it long ago and forgot?)
dasfury wrote
at 12:38 PM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
pretty laughable. by jurg's logic all habitual cheaters (and dethroned mods) should get a fourth second chance.
jurgen wrote
at 3:14 PM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
Verms, sorry but I'm going to pass on asking yet again. I think I tried to get you an invite for 8 to 10 times by now. I'm not an administrator there so I can't invite you. Better ask Ryan, TLP, Annat, PM325 or KellyKellymoore directly.
derivative wrote
at 11:11 PM, Tuesday September 3, 2013 EDT
so what's it going to be all blue medals or only top 3
Slinus wrote
at 12:00 AM, Wednesday September 4, 2013 EDT
Only top3.
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