Well dead... What happens when you don't eat food for a while?

Also I agree with rob, we don't want to shell out food stamps to the same people forever no matter how effective it is with reference to economy. We should employ carrot and stick methods of welfare that entice people to get back on their feet and help them along the way. Of course if dead knew anything about German government/policies/regulations he'd probably think theyre communist.

The fact of the matter is the most powerful economies and nascent powers of today all employ progressive policies whenever feasible... Except us guess which power has been on the decline for the last 30 years since we stopped keeping to our traditional populist and progressive values.

I wonder... Deadcode was the homestead act socialism or government handouts? It was populism and a very progressive means of settling the nation's fringes.

Carrot and stick welfare like Germany*

miguel (whose alt are you btw?), i dont think our country has been in decline because we stopped progressive social reform. i would guess it has more to do with the rest of the world catching up to our industry.

but i really dont know much.

Miguel: "The fact of the matter is the most powerful economies and nascent powers of today all employ progressive policies whenever feasible... Except us guess which power has been on the decline for the last 30 years since we stopped keeping to our traditional populist and progressive values."

Not only is that a bunch of revisionist history; but you are incorrect about us being the only one in decline. You are in for a rude awakening when reality slaps you in the face.

wait when did i say i prefer people to be on food stamps forever?
but the fact remains, you take away food stamps from families who depend on them, people will go hungry. this hurts children the most.

cuddle puddle; can you remind me of the number of people who starved when Clinton reformed welfare and reduced the number of people who were on it? I remember it was mass starvation in the streets; but I can't remember the official tally; do you?

i think what standard repubs wonder about is, if you were to take food stamps away, what percentage of people would find different ways to make ends meet and feed their families successfully without food stamps.

there are def cases where the food stamps help, but the whole system needs reform because it seems too high a percentage of people are taking advantage of the system's loopholes.

Code if you want to enact policies that will cause human suffering, at least be honest and admit it. People will go hungry without food to eat. People will get sick without access to health care. People will be homeless without affordable housing. These are facts; not liberal propaganda. Eliminating food stamps, social security, medicaire, etc., will cause enormous human suffering. If those are your political objectives, you should at least be honest about the degree of human misery you are willing to accept as the consequence.

Btw; the CDC doesn't even record the number of starvation deaths in the USA; because it basically never happens. Starvation only happens because of neglect by parents; called malnutrition in the USA. That figure is in the 10s each year.

Think about it. I you starve in the USA; you should get a Darwin award. Supermarkets throw out their excess food; and it is no illegal to take it from the dumpster.

Can we stop worrying about mass starvation now; and start worrying about real issues?

Monte - code is not asking for intelligent and reasoned reform. He is advocating the complete elimination of ALL social welfare programs.