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since i threatened to post all this, i guess i have to
montecarlo wrote
at 11:59 PM, Tuesday May 31, 2011 EDT
TL;DR

CLIFFS:
1) sado thought i dicked him in the grand finale.
2) on the final frenzy of 5k tables, he has an obv connect through a thin-middle-line nodice, which will also destroy nodice. he refuses to take it.
3) i then make the accusation that he is not cutting nodice because he is pge-ing me, and doesnt want me to beat nodice in the monthly standings.
4) he says yes that is the reason he isnt making the obv move, because he is pge-ing me... even though im not playing the game? ok.
5) nodice goes on to win due to this "pge", and thereby gets 1st on the last game of the month! (nice!)

i aint got anything against nodice, ive been in similar situations where people are gifting me something i dont deserve because they have some other ulterior motives. he got his 1st, whether earned or not, who cares. he didnt actively cheat.

but sado was just loony. id request a ban on him, but he has already stated several times that he is quitting this game cus ppl take it too srsly. .... except he was the one that was taking it the most srsly, so good idea to quit.

chatlogs and screencaps to follow.

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twinky wrote
at 11:03 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
if he snaked first on his own it would have been impressive and congrats-worthy but sounds pretty shady to me.

as for him having no part in it:

"nodice4u: or let me have 1st and gold!

nodice4u: pge monte!
nodice4u: ftw

nodice4u: haha I BEAT MONTE IN CHATBOXING"

that sounds like someone asking for a funnel.
Marius_1987 wrote
at 11:09 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
IE Monte? Really?
Thraxle wrote
at 11:22 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
So this was PGE point funnelling and nodice was jokingly asking for it to happen which KJ obliged just to piss off monte. So who gets punished? Sado for PGEing monte? Nodice for gets points given to him? Monte for making this situation possible? Ryan for turning monte into a month-end lunatic?

I blame The Niggler for all of this...
DB Cooper wrote
at 11:30 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
I was joking and didn't orchestrate anything. I would like to point out if you look at the pictures I'm in 3rd and Monte is in 4th...maybe a little motivation to get me killed so 3rd is open?
superxchloe wrote
at 11:38 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
monte wasn't even playing at this point so this definitely isn't monte going for bronze. Besides, I remember a few minute before this monte saying "I'm destined for fourth" and "look at my medals, I rock 4th place."
Like I said I don't think nodice is at fault here.
montecarlo wrote
at 11:42 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
not sure if i said this earlier, but the only way i couldve gotten 3rd was if nodice lost 4.2k on that game. i dont even know if a 4.2k loss is possible. anyways, several people pointed out to sado that nodice had a safe 3rd. but sado thought it would piss me off to see him not hit nodice, because he thought we were pgeing each other too (we werent).

so im asking for a sado ban. he was clearly point funneling. im not asking for points to be reset in any way, you dont need to get Ryan involved at all. all i want to see is a slap-on-the-wrist 7-day ban for a first offense from sado.
KillBot5000 wrote
at 11:52 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
twinky: "that sounds like someone asking for a funnel."

Damn, that's all it takes to get an entire table of top 25ers to pt funnel...I have been chatting all wrong.

What if monte HAD been playing? It would have been the same and you would've argued PGA AND point funnelling.

Looks like an obvious case of OTF vs. PGA vs. PGE to me. Good thing monte didn't sit....he probably wouldve been 6th. You top 25er OTF's are hilarious...just think how all of us lowbies feel. We get PGAed...er "OTFed"... against at the 500's on up all month long.

In the end it looks like a question of intent. No one intended to PGA or point funnel..it was the unintended result of a PGE..and as far as I know, PGE's are aloud.
KillBot5000 wrote
at 11:53 AM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
*allowed
superxchloe wrote
at 12:08 PM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
<- has never been top 25.

imo, all the people who have decided that the top 25 is full of cheating are FULL OF SHIT and have no idea what they're talking about. They either hide behind alts or have played <10 upper table games if any at all. They generally have no basis whatsoever for the accusations they make.
superxchloe wrote
at 12:10 PM, Wednesday June 1, 2011 EDT
also, the point funnelling was an OBVIOUS and INTENDED result of a PGE. If it were unintentional why would Sado give the points to nodice? monte wasn't even sitting. you can't call this an unintentional result.
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