Well a reform in how unions do things would be better, the current contract teachers have basically give them "diplomatic" immunity.

Now, lets see if we can convince yo that higher taxes are necessary!

These statistics are interesting; although not very surprising, BO.

The rich are educated; the poor are uneducated.

I am also of the opinion that unions are a big part of the issue. Bad teachers are impossible to fire once they gain tenure. Good teachers are discouraged by bad teachers and, in some cases, eventually give up teaching.

I'm all for upping taxes if the money is used properly. Increasing entitlements is not a positive use for it in my opinion regardless of any wikipedia article that gets cited regarding ROI. Invest it in education. Invest it in infrastructure. Invest it in clean energy. Invest it in DRILLING INTO AMERICAN OIL RESERVES for fuck sake in the interim.

Invest it in the jobs market...don't handout free healthcare. Create a job and have that create healthcare for the man. Don't just give the fucking money away, create ways for the poor to invest their time wisely and help themselves. The problem is the stigma that the democratic party has of increasing entitlements and quite frankly the rich and conservatives alike aren't willing to be REQUIRED via tax burden to pay for that shit.

I'd be happy to pay another 1% or 2% in federal income tax if I knew it was going to be invested wisely, I'm just not convinced that the federal government will do that, regardless of which party holds the power.

I wonder why you blame the unions, when most places where unions are stronger, there is more equality, and the lower classes have more input in the system, because the unions can pool the political money of the working class and actually have an impact.

maybe the teachers union in general might not be working so well, but _I think the lack of unions means that the poor people have much less to say in politics.


I think the main problem is the education system, and not only bad teachers in highschools, but college tutiton fees, focus on getting past national tests, and that students have to use so much time (and therefor money) taking classes irellevant to the profession they are trying to get. like taking 4 years of college before you can start medical school or law school.

Thraxle, that image was not from wikipedia and frankly, even if it was, your condescending attitude towards objective data that doesn't agree with your abhorrent worldview is disturbing. Cut the holier-than-thou bullshit because you haven't cited anything, from wikipedia or not, that backs up any single thing you've said.

How Keynesian economics hurts the poor: http://videosift.com/video/Ron-Paul-on-economy-Welfare-hurts-the-poor-via-inflation

Minimum wage hurts poor and jobs: http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/09/27/minimum-wage-hurts-the-poor/

Oh and by the way: http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2011/04/25/where-did-all-the-anti-war-protestors-go/

^^^so, the guys that where for afghanistan and against iraq, dubbed anti war, and was complaining that to took so long to get out of iraq, somehow is gone????


I am still anti iraq, always have been, always will be, libya was a un resolution and is not a land war (therefor no foreign troops were deployed, making it an unwinable war) , afghanistan was to get osama bin laden, I was for that war in the beginning, but now I see that it seems like it is a bad war, that should be ended sooner rather than later.

soo, anti war, I am still here




that evidence that minimum wage hurts the workers is anecdotal, it might be one of those things that will hurt abit in the short term, but will be good for the development of a middle class in the long term.

mr. K, marry me?

I posted a 10 minutes video and two articles; Mr K; retort's 10 minutes later. Nuff said. GG

"Thraxle, that image was not from wikipedia and frankly, even if it was, your condescending attitude towards objective data that doesn't agree with your abhorrent worldview is disturbing. Cut the holier-than-thou bullshit because you haven't cited anything, from wikipedia or not, that backs up any single thing you've said."

I'm pretty sure none of comments were directed at anyone imparticular, with the exception of my slight jab at wikipedia which obviously was intended for Veta. :)

I have no holier-than-thou view other than I know there is a certain demographic that doesn't try in this country. If you give them cash I agree that they may directly spend that cash and "stimulate" the economy, but in the end most of those people will not try to change their social standing because they simply don't want to put forth the effort to do so. Some demographics are worse than others, but it would be quite pointless to argue any of this because my comments will be undercut by the fact that most liberals feel the deck is already stacked against these demographics.

Anyways, this is feeling more like a rant and less than a discussion now. If you won't openly admit that there are certain people in this country that are both lazy AND complacent, then this conversation is going nowhere. I'm just another evil, rich white man who is born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I can't wait for my inheritance to kick in so I can run my multi-million dollar dot com business from the comfort of my own couch.