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greekboi wrote
at 4:23 PM, Wednesday March 23, 2011 EDT
Do you really think that Republicans are that different from Democrats? Obviously on the surface you have your major differences in ideology, but the fact that you support Obama so loyally and think that Republicans are so very evil makes me think you are quite ignorant. Did you not notice the whole launching 122 missiles into Libya thing? What's up with that imperialist bullshit? Oh and how bout the whole economic "stimulus" plan? Can you really argue that it was any different than Bush's bailout? Throughout his campaign, Barack emphasized how he would put the money into the hands of the people, not the other way around. What about all his talks about moving away from the heated bipartisanship and bringing about cooperation to advance our national agenda? Bottom line is that Obama is full of shit. Everything he says is a load, and if you don't see past that, you are a moron. You guys need to get over your political parties, they mean nothing. Start voting on the issues.
Anyways, I know this hasn't been the most articulate post in the world, but I'll leave with you a quote from 2007: ?The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch.? I'll let you guess who said it. |
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Tourney Champ wrote
at 10:18 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT to the crux of your point thrax;
why would god punish pharoah (think 10 commandments movie) if god created him? didnt god make him to be greedy, full of hatred for the jews and defiant? Yes. God made him this way Romans 9 tries to explain this to us in that God (as the creator of time, life, right and wrong) if he chooses, can glorify his own name through pharoahs punishment. God was just in punishing pharoah, just as he was just in creating pharoah. It is hard to hear this and not get upset. But if you seriously want to conceptualize an all powerful creator then you cannot place human restrictions on that creator. |
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 10:21 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT It's funny for skrum to argue that god is testable as it suggests you can use reason rather than faith to believe in such a thing. Which is an inherrent contradiction to what skrum said earlier and indeed a basic tenet of Christianity which is that god can only be known by faith. Indeed by suggesting you can find evidence for god you are opening yourself up to a logical contradiction and subsequent defeat. But yes I agree discussing religion is rather childish since most of know it's a fable, akin to the Easter bunny.
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jurgen wrote
at 10:23 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT things die by themselves, there is no need for any assumption of a god in the process.
you assume there is a god needed for things to die, laws of nature are enough to explain the ending of the life of living organisms there is no proof of god ending lives, if you want to make people believe that, you need to prove he does that, people don't have to disprove he doesn't. (Unless you are one of the lawyers from the OJ simpson trial team) |
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Tourney Champ wrote
at 10:24 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT murder is concieved out of hatred. God does not murder anyone. god also would be fully aware that mortal death is only a brief moment in time compared to infinity, since god exists independently from time
you are placing your emotion on god |
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jurgen wrote
at 10:25 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT in short: you made him up, you prove me he invented death :P
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Tourney Champ wrote
at 10:25 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT bo comparing god to the easter bunny is the childs argument
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Thraxle wrote
at 10:26 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT According to you, God placed my emotions on me? So, is God emotionless? Words such as wrath and vengence get used often in the Bible. It begs the question, doesn't God have human-like emotions? If not, why would he get mad or love us? Aren't these human emotions?
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 10:27 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT Channing if you actually believe in god and you really want to discuss this seriously I'm pretty versed in the topic (10 years of catholic school) and I'd be happy to get on facebook or something later to hear your theodicies. By the way the qualm most people have so far isnt that a god is incomprehensible but rather it's a logical contradiction and paradox akin to an mc Escher drawing... The problem isn't that god doesn't make sense in the human mind, its that a god ONLY makes sense in a human mind.
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Boner Oiler wrote
at 10:30 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT TC comparing god to another mythical creature wasn't my argument, please reread my argument. I refuted skrums position not yours. I simply asserted that I think the biblical god is a fable, much like those of other religions... Including the pagan Easter bunny. My jab at religious people is not an argument, it's a jab at those beliefs.
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Tourney Champ wrote
at 10:30 AM, Tuesday March 29, 2011 EDT no god is not emotionless. god is the perfect embodiment of love. perfect justice is part of that love. god exacts justice bc he loves us all. that should be simple enough to understand.
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