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So is this is how it really works?
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woodcubed wrote
at 5:17 AM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST
I just read the post by Fiero600. Suffice it to say I find it most revealing. Not the part about people abusing moderator status... not the pga crap at higher level tables... not any of that. I knew all of that. Now, for me, I am a casual player, I have never placed, I have my share of people who say they hate me but probably don't remember me. Really I am just mediocre at this game I figured. Yes, I have had a kdice account, the same and only account since I first signed up for this game in its first year, and I have maybe once gotten to the 5,000 tables Honestly i only try to get points so I can escape the zero tables and for really no other reason. So what is this post about? I will tell you.
Fiero600 says in his goodbye post that the luck for an individual player is affected by whether you have an account. If this is true, I need to think long and hard about whether I should even bother playing. This whole post is a response to this idea, and if it is not true that luck is a manipulated figure, please disabuse me of the notion. I don't spend any time usually in this forum so I would not know if this had come up before. You see I had thought luck was simply an accounting of how you did, not a variable in the equation itself. Do you know how much stress it causes me, and to other players I am sure, to lose and lose and lose even when I darn well better know the strategy by now? How I will lose, on my first turn, every single attack, even 5v2, and be killed off instantly before the game has even begun? And this is not to say that can''t happen, but seriously. I always figured there was some random number generator somewhere combined with my own mistakes but if there is a thumb on the scale then is there is no point to any of my effort is there? And do I even want to pay to get an advantage over other players that would amount to cheating? In most games with paid perks, you get some magic armor, or a points boost, or another helping hand. But if it is true that paid subscribers get BETTER LUCK or heck even just a privileged few, than what you are telling me is more equivalent to paying not for a stat boost but instead to paying someone to give your opponents a handicap. I play this game because i figured it was a game of strategy mixed with luck and a way to procrastinate occasionally. But apparently it is a game of fixed statistics and politics. I don't care what goes on at the top of the leader boards. I don't care how rampant the cheating is up in the clouds, and I don't give a crap about point boosts for people who pay for them (because they paid so they should get what is advertised). The only thing i care about, or rather, the only thing i get worked up about, is a basic fairness that comes from true random probability. And if there isn't that one thing, that one most essential component to a game about and centered on the rolling of DICE, then there is no point to any of this, you have causing me small bursts of massive stress for the last 5 YEARS, and I think that anyone who would implement such a system of punishment is a lousy sadist, and ought to be ashamed as a maker of games. If this is true. And please, tell me I am wrong, if i am, because part of me right now sitting here, writing this wants this not to be true, does not wish to believe that i have spent 5 YEARS as the pawn of a sadistic PLOT to provide entertainment for, as fiero600 again so kindly reveals, a "cabal" of special people. This is not about me though, this is about ALL of the people who come to this site and play a game or two for free in their downtime, or have been doing so with some frequency and wonder occasionally how they could lose so badly, or so quickly, or why the same people always seem to breeze through games unscathed. The very people Fiero mentions, whom I have played with many times having been here as long as I have. So I guess we are nearing the end of my rant. I don't tend to write long whiny rants, but I just want to know, Ryan, or moderators, or whomever is in charge: Are you punishing me? Are you causing me suffering? Are you cheating us at a fundamental level? This has always been a timewaster for me (in an ok way) but are you wasting my time? I just want to be honestly unlucky- or nothing at all. |
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superxchloe wrote
at 1:23 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST probably membership cancels curses. jesse was cursed -> bought a membership and luck returns to normal -> cancels membership and luck goes back to him being cursed.
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skrumgaer wrote
at 3:28 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST Boost code is newer than membership code. If luck benefit is associated with boosting, would more boosts mean higher luck? Looks like we could do a regression here.
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woodcubed wrote
at 4:06 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST @ montecarlo- well, I would hope I never did anything to make Ryan mad at me.
As I say, I don't have a weekly tirade against authority. Yes, the simple explanation is just that I am not very good at this game. It's frustrating at times though, to know that you know how to play but cannot ever get enough traction. Nine out of ten games I join i have four territories at the four corners of the earth, and I am going last. By the time my turn comes around i have lost 3 of the four. Then it is not so fun. And this happens on a daily basis sometimes. so seeing that other discussion got me going. |
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fcuku wrote
at 5:46 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST i got cursed while i was a member,
so then i cancelled my membership i didnt think anything about it, just made another account but then about a year later i was like 'hey fiero said all i had to do was buy a membership and the curse was gone' nope still cursed |
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trendz wrote
at 6:23 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST ^
tl;dr |
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Prince Of Persia wrote
at 7:07 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST Woodcube, it's not the same for everyone. But there ARE certain accounts who by data are 'cursed.' There are thousands of active accounts on kdice, when you see the same accounts on the bottom 5 luck % month after month... you can begin to see it's not just superstition. I did extensive research on it, "some 1000 dice rolls" and screen shotted and sent data to skurm. He analyzed it with his math and statistics and what not and said that it was IMPOSSIBLE, for my luck to be that bad 'by chance alone'. I know some people don't want to believe it, but curses are real. I think it's generally something Ryan only does on specific cases.
I will tell you from looking at a few cases at school, Ryan owes absolutely no duty to provide a 'fair and equal' game to people who play his game for free. When you pay money for his services though, you create a contract with him, where he could be liable to you if he accepts your money and then handicaps your account without telling you. I think this is mostly the issue.But no, it's not just a myth, although it is only a hand full of cases. If you want to see a great example, Bombardier DS 50 has atrociously bad luck between November 08 - March 09. "coincidentally" those were months where his low score is '0' (no membership). He bought a membership after that (as evidenced by the 2500 start amount) and his luck went up 5% from 44-49 every month after that. But if you wanna ignore all that statistics, math, common sense, or w/e stuff.. then you can believe that Ryan doesn't curse accounts :) |
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Prince Of Persia wrote
at 7:07 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST |
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mr Kreuzfeld wrote
at 7:14 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST that is well within the standard variance. most players have no idea about how luck should distribute. I did a few checks in poker, and in poker games, if you play heads up, luck averages out in about 700-1000 games.
what you have showed is well within the standard variance |
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superxchloe wrote
at 7:17 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST what jesse showed? not a chance mr. k.
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Prince Of Persia wrote
at 7:23 PM, Sunday February 27, 2011 EST yeah lol not a chance in hell. From what skrum ran on that account, the luck % dropping from 49% to 44% and then back to 49% and it correlating perfectly with his membership... it came out to like 0% chance of that occurring by chance alone.
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