I will be back later to answer any replies...

vIRGI, rules on this site are fluid and ever-evolving. Ryan is anything but active in the governing of this site, so us mods are left to make our own assumptions.

YOU STILL CANT NAME A SINGLE INSTANCE OF A MOD BEING DIRTY/BIASED TOWARDS HIMSELF/FRIENDS. YOU FAIL.

and check kdice.com/blog to see where mods have several informative posts about what is and is not considered cheating on this site.

next time, please dont act so ignorant before you make massive empty arguments.

Dear Alex (MrsM) I'll answer you part by part

1st of all - yes, I'm a friend of both,Matt (barmat) and Jurgen, I know Matt longer and better than Jurgen and I'm 100% sure....

--> you can't be 100% sure about matt since it's mainly a private matter and you know nothing about it unless Matt talked behind our back even more. I respect that you trust him, I am sorry to say I can't do that anymore with everything that I have seen him do in the past month or so.

@Jurgen...Matt didnt post this comment in here because of a private disput you have.

--> he did, this accusation is so thin but it's the only thing he could twist to try and hurt me. He is upset about something outside of Kdice where I even wasn't involved in. He tried dragging me into something, it failed and it backfired on him. He lost 2 friends for trying to drive a wedge inbetween them.

Because of that I think it's quite unfair to expose him with some private trouble you both have. There's also no need to call that "secret someone else" to show Matt's "fake face".

--> Was matt fair in dragging things out of context here?, even his picture was resized so he could only show what he wanted to show. I will still ask that person if he cares to read what matt wrote about him, especially since matt basically accused me of saying stuff about our private mailings anyway. Matt chose to do this in the forum, not me, I responded to matt in private, I was on Kdice all day for him to come to talk to me, the only thing I got from him was this nice backstab IN THE FORUM ---- NOT IN PRIVATE AS I WOULD HAVE PREFERERED!!!! that's his way of not saying stuff to your face directly I guess. He tried to "expose" me, I'll expose his true character, sounds fair to me.

We all have a fake face sometimes, otherwise we wouldn't play kdice. There's also no need to copy parts of a private email into the forum - private should be private, kdice should be kdice - at least as long as it can expose someone.

--> matt certainly seems to have 2 faces, I witnessed it enough when i played him being his normal not so polite self when I playing as alts. I responded a bit higher about matt's choice NOT to do this in private

I saw this part and bit more of this 2k-table-game / chat too. But to be honest I got it as a copmplete messed up game with a lot of discussions the same moment I came in. My silent reaction was just rolling my eyes because of that talking because I didn't see enough of that game to say something loudly. I dont know if Matt saw more of the game / chat to decide to post it here. He got it as an extortion and in my opinion it's a players right to write it down to get others impressions, although - to be honest - this chat part is too short to get it all.

--> better not comment if you didn't see the game but on second thought there was nothing really to see, if you saw the ned , you saw all that mattered here anyway. Feel free to just look at what matt made from the truth and compare it to the untwisted reality I gave and which most people here seem to agree on.

nobody at the table would have minded if derya flagged out earlier because of my joke. It might have saved him dom as well. If he didn't get it was a joke, he isn't that smart and I guess that explains why he wanted to be a jerk and annoy the entire table by refusing to do an extremely logic flag.


So Jurgen, you should let this "someone else" and these email-parts stay out ! Your "I'll ask him if I can copy parts of it" sounds to me like when my kids say to their friends "I wont invite you to my b-day if you don't invite me" - you are grown ups, so behave like them. If you don't want to go talking to eachother, then don't do it - you don't HAVE to talk nor you have to sit the same table.

--> I was very adult in this situation, I just wish another "adult" could have done the same here. I am not going to ignore matt, nor will I pge him or let it affect my gameplay when he is at the table, he 'll be anonymous noob#2 as far as I am concerned. I refuse to let this influence me more than just the removal of a friend who lost my trust and my respect. And I am sorry to say no about the privacy. I will only take into the account the wishes of the 3rd person involved here. If he agrees this mail can show the real character of matt, I will post it. If he objects, I won't.

There is nothing dramatic in what matt wrote to me anyway, don't expect anything amazing or superproof of evil matt, it's just talking behind someones back and kissing up to me. I just think it shows well how matt actually behaves when the camera's aren't rolling.

nice shots on deviant art, barmat

i hope barmat != mattz

@ monte (about taking it pretty personally)

I agree that I am going overboard here and with Gurgi. I really don't mind having some shit thrown in my face once in a while by an ignorant fool.

But I get really offended when people who I repsect do stuff like this and actually should know better about what happened. I could even understand from gurgi because I totally agreed he got screwed, eevn though I didn not want any of that to happen.

Matt pretended to be my friend ffs. He sent me a second mail about him being disappointed about me (thinking I gave away private info), I responded in a mail because he was not online. I saw him online for over 6 hours, I was here too. If he had a problem with me, he only had to come to me. When he was at my table he never said a word.

The only sign of life I got was this forum post

(we should be getting close to 100 at the current rate)

This is a record. 100 post in 1 day...

Am i the only one to notice that it's bannable ? :p

"Fonias: kill teal plz"

Don't know the whole story between matt and jurgen even if i was checking that 2K game.

I knew jurgen was joking about this 3 days ban, unsure derya knew it though.

Something happened between Matt and Jurgen, matt kinda made a personal attack to piss off jurgen on the forum and jurgen over reacted on it..Just my 2 cent, like them both.

BTW on a sidenote jurgen is probably one of the most interesting Mod i've ever seen on kdice...A bot without friends could beat him though !

Is it the 100th post ?

looks like this "I will ban 99 + 100 posts" had some effect :P

just stay away from 98 + 99 +100

do the 99 + 100 with some style or funny enough and I won't ban that of course

Happy 100th to someone, sorry all that this private thing got dragged out so long in the forum.

Glad I can see the humour and the crazyness about all of it now. Alex, if it makes you happy, I won't post matts mail but if the 3rd person involved wants to read it, I think it is still his right (but that's in private)

Ahh Jurgen :) ...the 1st time I dare to write here and I'm completely wrong??

- "...100% sure.." - ok, maybe I should have said 99%..You're right, there's none you can trust 100%, there will always be surprises..

- "..he lost 2 friends.." - in the beginning of this discussion you wrote he lost 1 friend. Guess it means you already talked to this secret person and you decided already to copy email parts or not?

- "..better no comment.." - I didn't comment that game nor the situation I saw ! I said I just rolled my eyes BECAUSE I didn't see the beginning of that game nor the end and I said that clearly ("because I didnt't see enough of the game to say something loudly")

Jurgen, am I really that stupid?? Where in Matt's post is a single word or a clue about your private matter? Sorry, maybe I'm too stupid (or too tired - its midnight for me!), but I don't see it....Is it just the fact he took a screenshot mostly from the chatbox than from the whole map too?

Please Jurgen, all I ask you for is to stop and put more and more privat stuff into this all. This is going too far and I've the feeling these copied emailparts and the answers will hurt you both more and more. If it would be Real Life I'd say its because of a girl, but I know you're married....As I said, I'll just ask you to stop it here. I'll talk to him too and will tell him the same.

And by the way,Jurgen.....no, I dont think he just pretended to be your friend - he was your friend till happened whatever happened