fcuku_ wrote
at 6:55 PM, Wednesday October 27, 2010 CDT
I feel you tho. Honestly, if there was a party that stood on the platform of balancing the budget, being socially liberal, and not sticking our metaphorical hands in other countries metaphorical cookie jars, I would vote for them.


<--- my thoughts exactly.


But given that the Republicans in Congress party are fascists and the Democrats are looking like the Republican Party of the 1980's, I think the whole system is gravitating to the right uncontrollably. Eventually, the U.S will be controlled by two corporations. We are headed toward it. You can look at about 5 futuristic (Blade Runner like)movies to see our potential future.

Oh, and for those who don't think that we are living in a fascist state that started with Reagan and has progressed to a higher level with each president since...

Let us look at the definition of fascism:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

The regime above includes all corporatists(that means all of congress)

Nation & Race is all about the Tea Party.

centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader- best example was Bush-Cheney team. Bush Jr. was being puppeted by daddy, Wolfawitz, Rove & halibuton & Co.

The thing that cracks me up is that the fascist take over of our government is independent of the Democratic/Republican paradigm. It is simply about greed and power spear-headed by the most ruthless pricks on the planet. Kind of like k-dice PGA. (just kidding) But seriously, some members of the Tea Party can't see that the whole system is fubarred and they are voting into office the super-right, super-corporate monkies who will make thing even worse. While both parties are involved in this b.s., lets just say that the Republicans are the master criminals and the Democrats are the apprentice criminals. Not to say that both parties don't have their bad apples. But Republicans have always sympothized with corporations and Democrats have always sympothized with the people.

Finally, if you ever want to know what a particular parties past and futures crime play book includes... look know further than what they accuse their opposition of. For example, If I had a nickle for every time that Obama was called a Fascist by Glen Beck or Shawn Hannity, I would be able to retire now. They call him a Fascist because they know that Bush and Cheney were the master Fascists. It is part of the political strategy guide. If you accuse your opponent of your crime, then it is much less likely that the tables can turn on you.

Anyway, we need a new party in the US.

Oh...and you gotta see this

http://www.theonion.com/video/bird-hunted-to-near-extinction-due-to-infuriating,18345/

Thrax: Amazing indeed. :-) I didnt try to offend you. Could you send me a link to something supporting your claim?

"Pedophiles can be "treated" but never cured, because their sexual preference has always been, and always will be, children."

http://www.mental-health-matters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519



Insecurity, Hord agrees, is at the heart of pedophilia. Typically, pedophiles have trouble relating to people their own age. They need to feel they have power and control in a relationship, which is easy with children. One pedophile, "PwC," attests to this, writing on a pedophilia Web site:

"I'm 21 years old, and a virgin, I've never even kissed a girl. I have no job, and can't keep one. I'm frustrated that I'm a virgin, and it seems very unlikely that I'll ever get the kind of woman I want, and I'm desperate, because I need love. I never have molested a little girl, never! I want to though, I'm truly desperate. I want to hold a little girl in my arms, and tell her I love her, and that I'll keep her safe, and protect her, that appeals to me greatly."

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/explaining-pedophilia



One difficulty in treating pedophiles is that we know little about their condition. Could people become pedophiles because they were sexually victimized as kids? That theory makes common sense, but only one-third of pedophiles say they were abused. Could pedophilia be a brain disease? Bradford of the University of Ottawa says studies of pedophiles' brains have shown differences in the way they react to changes in hormone levels, but he says the research is in its earliest stages. Other scientists have posited several risk factors that can lead to pedophilia, including chromosomal abnormalities, psychological problems during puberty and even being brothers: The Journal of Psychology in 2000 reported that "a gap of several years between brothers might deprive the pedophile of companionship in formative years of sexual behavior development."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,232584-2,00.html



CHROMOSOMAL ABNORMALITIES as a possible cause of pedophilia. A pedophile gene? Sound familiar? A homosexual gene?

Again, I don't condone pedophilia as I know it's wrong. But many of these people are pedophiles for the same reasons others claim cause homosexuality. Why is one groups "disorder" deemed OK while the other groups disorder is criminal? Of course, the obvious answer most will give is "consenting adults". But many studies have proven that the children actually enjoy the encounter when it happens. It isn't until later in life that they realize what happened was bad and traumatizing. So many times it could be consenting adult with consenting child.

I'm certainly not arguing for the rights of pedophiles, I'm just offering counterarguments to those that think homosexuality is 100% OK and should be deemed lawful and allow for lawful marraiges.

I could give you one reason why one is, and the other is not concidered, maybe you accept it.

it is about powerabuse, it is like
doctors cannot sleep with their patients,
professors cannot sleep with their students,
police cannot sleep with their detainees
lawyers cannot sleep or do business with their clients,
the boss cannot sleep with his employee in certain circumstances,
an employee at an psyciactric institution cannot sleep with the patients.
etc etc.

it about one party having power over the other, and being very difficult to differentiate in such situations, that is why you can loose your license if breaking these rules. but pedophilia is passed into law, because there is no licence you can lose

thrax your argument is fucked and you know it.
yes, pedophilia and homosexuality are probably predisposed genetically, but there are social factors that lead to each. i'm pretty sure if this 21 yr old was accepted and living a normal life (not getting kissed at age 21 isn't normal, so cheer up troy! you have hope to get kissed in the next 8 years!) and if he was able to bang some biddies, he wouldn't have to think about little girls. he admits that he'll never find the type of love he wants, and THAT'S why he's looking for a younger girl. the occurrences of pedophilia among socially active/sexually active adults is much lower. the goal of rape/sexual assault is as much a power trip as it is a sexual fantasy, and people without social issues don't need to embark on such activities.

it's also completely fucked up that you bring up an argument that small children can consent. seriously, pull your head outta your ass. i can't even begin to describe how disgusted i am that you even bring up that a child can consent to that shit.

HOWEVER, homosexuals-- while they often face persecution, intolerance and bigotry, are productive and faaaabulous members of society. yes, some have social issues, but they choose to solve them by finding love, instead of by preying on children. their actions are not perverse and do not harm people who are incapable of making responsible/intelligent decisions.

yeah, hadn't read your response mr k when i mentioned the power trip part

I didn't bring up these thoughts, I'm simply mirroring what I've read from psychologists in a variety of works. These aren't MY arguments. I was asked to site some sources on pedophilia possibly being a genetic disposition (as so many claim homosexuality is), and I've done that with my prior post.

There are pedophiles that are otherwise normal and contribute to society in a variety of positive ways. All I'm saying is that the arguments that are brought forth as to why homosexuals are the way they are, are very similar to why a pedophile might be the way he is. The only difference is semantics and what has become generally accepted in society.

ONCE AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, these aren't my thoughts. It is simply information that I've read and studied.

I see your point Thrax, but there's one thing that bothers me:

Pedophelia clearly is something negative.

By comparing homosexuality with pedophelia and suggesting that to a certain extent (i.e. both being a gentic disposition) they are similar things, you also kind of imply that homosexuality is something negative.

So do you think homosexuality is something negative and if yes, why?

And back to the original discussion: why do so many Tea Party candidates (obviously) think that it is negative?

Are there any non-religious arguments they have?

(And sorry skrum: that insurance argument is so trivial, please don't mention it again ;-) )

I don't think homosexuality is negative, I just don't think it should be recognized lawfully with regards to marraige. Marriage is between a man and a woman. The institution of marraige should be between a man and a woman. That is the overwhelming norm in every country, every culture, and throughout history. These people are not discriminated against because they have the same opportunity as everyone else: Marry someone from the opposite sex and you can have a lawfully recognized marraige.