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detenmile wrote
at 8:32 PM, Friday February 26, 2010 EST
Int is right guys, I just got into the 100 club I dont want another new member

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Homer Simmpson wrote
at 11:42 AM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
yes skrum i know that, and the momentum cannot be known precisely either. However a particle does still have an exact position and momentum at each given moment.

The reason we cannot know a particles exact position or momentum is because in order to find the one we must manipulate the other.
Shevar wrote
at 12:10 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
>However a particle does still have an exact position and momentum at each given moment.


you are wrong here. every particle has wave characteristics and the position of a wave is not exact.
Homer Simmpson wrote
at 3:04 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
Shevar you are partially correct here. Electrons are postulated to have wave like characteristics. Then there are particles with no mass that have wave like behavior. however most particles do have an exact position and velocity.

I do suppose that the uncertainty of the nature of electrons and a few exotic particle would poke a substantial hole in my original argument of predestination though.
Homer Simmpson wrote
at 3:09 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
adendum: It is true to say that all particles have wavelike properties and particle like properties (wave particle duality. very well documented) there is still undetermineable exactness of position and momentum.
skrumgaer wrote
at 6:33 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
In regard to position, mass, velocity, momentum, are all 4 needed to describe a particle or do you need only 3?
superxchloe wrote
at 6:38 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
given p=(M*v)/[(1-v^2/C^2)^0.5]
you only need two of position, mass, and velocity in order to calculate the third. so i would expect that you need three.
superxchloe wrote
at 6:38 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
momentum*
Homer Simmpson wrote
at 7:52 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
and you need other variables such as the particles "dimensions", various energy values. hell I don't really understand it completely.
If you have a particles resting mass, electric charge, position, diameter, and velocity, then you can usually tell just how that particle well behave.
superxchloe wrote
at 8:13 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
or we could all pretend to be omnipotent beings and then the problem is solved
Thraxle wrote
at 8:28 PM, Sunday March 7, 2010 EST
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