Its "baptism" Das.

Its just different because most christian denominations don't baptize until the kid is older.

Catholic kids go though "confirmation" when they are old enough to make the choice for themselves. although i was confirmed and i can tell you, i was too young and family influenced to make that decision.

anyway, shevar is right. if god can just be infinite, so can existance. same logic traps to either scenario.

hey monte.....if god is infinite, tell me what god was the god of before he created anything. just a lonely entity in a sea of nothingness?

i wouldnt call him lonely... that would be attributing human emotions to an infinitely unknowable God. ;)

i dont grasp what you and shev are saying...

"if god can just be infinite, so can existance. same logic traps to either scenario."

can you flesh that out?

and where did catholics come up with infant baptism, btw? i grew up presbyterian, and was also 'baptized' as like a 2-month old. went through confirmation class in junior high or something?

funny denominational strife tho... when i applied for the missionary position through the southern baptists, one of the many hoops they made me jump through was to be re-baptized, because 1) southern baptists dont accent infant baptism (just dedication, or christening), and 2) they dont accept sprinkling baptisms, but full immersions. so i got my pastor to meet me at the james river, and he dunked me there. thankfully the pollution didnt do any damage that was too lasting.

Monte, what shev and happy are arguing is that God had to begin to exist at some point. Who or what existed before God to create him and endow him with supreme knowledge and wisdom to rule all creation?

Or is God/time/existence infinite?

(you'll have no more success defending your explanation than we would with the Big Bang Theory)

Pretty sure Doc Brown and the delorian from Back to the Future are God.

your wife makes you apply for the missionary position?

=P

i mean if you say that god has always been there, you might as well say that something (energy, matter, space-time or whatever) has always been there. both statements have the same flaw, this infinity issue. so one is as right/false as the other.

we are definitely not missionary when it comes to that lol. OMG TMI

ya, my argument would be that God is infinite in time as well as whatever else. so no requirement for a creator of the creator.

big bang is interesting though. i like discussing it. thoughts?

if something has always been there, then doesnt that make it God=supreme? i thought there have been studies that give evidence that matter couldnt be infinite... i could be wrong though ofc.