Flaggin in the beggining of the game sucks yes,but what sucks more is trucing at the end of the game to rape a player with a deserved position

I pledge guilty.

If anyone thinks a round 1 "flag" isn't lame please speak up.
I mentioned above that i take responsibility for that kind of behaviour. And i have to add:
I regret nothing.
Since the amount of trustworthy trucepartners and skilled allies was never really high and seems to be on the downslope i see making people flag early a very sufficient way to win games.
Now here's my point. If the game itself with all summed up (starting positions, odds, peoples strategy and diplomacy skills and such) would look to be a fun and few flags game noone would actually _flag_ early because they know there's more in it for them.
For all other situations early flagging and sticking to it just allows everyone involved to lose or gain their points fast and go on to the next probably more exciting game of kdice.

Trucing is different, but most people don't truce at all in KDice anymore. It's all about vFlagging to the 1st player that builds an 8 stack, whether that player is in the middle or not.

And thats all fine if you know how to manage to get a huge stack early.

What is fun about flagging 2nd in round 1 and watching somebody else play the game and fight for position?

You don't. As to my pledge i pledge not guilty on this. I don't let people fight for pointless positions. I've seen their moves all game and decide if i'm with enough power.

my 2 cents.

MW

Define 'deserved'. I find it odd that words such as 'deserve' and 'fairness' are used. There's no deservedness in kdice just an order of elimination which determine positions. There's no fairness in kdice just rational and irrational moves.

I am the smallest player on the board, I only have an 8 stack, it is in the tail of the biggest player and can destroy his chances at 1st, he is guaranteed 1st otherwise. If he guarantees me 2nd I will sit and won't attack. Do I 'deserve' 2nd? Is it 'fair' I get 2nd? By my definition yes and yes.

Um old news, I mean this happended like a year ago. Ever since flag and surrender ended kdice has been neutered. Ryan is just too stuborun to realize that farming was much less of a problem then the state the game has reached now.

Ryan, well I kinda doubt you will read let alone respond to this, your arrogance and hatred of a few people and styles have driven what was once a massively popular game into the ground. You are left with transient traffic and a small group of regulars the pretty much emulate and propegate all you hated about kdice. This is your fault, you wanted to kill the elite and instead you drove away those that cared and left those that just want points, the whores you despised you just didn't know you were hating the wrong people.

Storm, that's the kind of thinking that monte employs, and if Ryan is watching he'll take a chunk of points out of monte's hide.

You don't "deserve" 2nd with only 1 territory. If someone gives you 2nd with only 1 territory they are either weak minded, or cheating.........unless they are farming.

Diplomacy in KDice is at an all-time low as far as I'm concerned. Vflagging is not diplomatic, it's cowering before the battle has really even begun.

I think what most people now dont understand is any agreement truce, flag, being cool, you go your way i go mine... you name it any of these that you are not part of hurts you. I feel Lagers pain. People give up too quickly when they get allied against. No reason to get in an argument over semantics. Any agreement that does not benefit you hurts you. I think the biggest problem is people have changed the goal of Kdice from WIN to "Not lose". Two people come up with some type of agreement and it never gets challenged eveyone just falls in line. Players think they are being "nice" but remember everytime you are nice to someone in a game where people have to die, you are screwing someone else. A good game to you is a bad game for someone else. So when you allow a player to make a bad move then reward that move by letting them build you are screwing someone else. That leads to complaining because a bad move was rewarded.

As I said, define deserved. If you played a great game of chess and were winning by many pieces and then made a very simple mistake and lost do you somehow deserve 1st instead? No, the game mechanics decided the positions and not some obscure concept of deservedness.

"Diplomacy in KDice is at an all-time low as far as I'm concerned."

Obviously it is, if you would rather not cooperate with the 8 stack and get 6th/7th than cooperate and get 1st/2nd.

The goal is to get the most points you can from a game (while still being fair), not to win.

Was the site really bigger 1+ years ago? I browsed through the leaderboard scores, and at least the score required to get in top25 has increased a LOT. So unless the scoring system has changed drastically, I would guess that the number of players and games played have increased.

"The goal is to get the most points you can from a game (while still being fair), not to win. "

I wish someone would help me with defining these words. Define fair!

In the situation I gave earlier should:

A)1st accept the offer of giving 2nd (rational)
B)1st refuse the offer of giving 2nd (irrational)
c)the 8-stack should flag out 7th (irrational)

wiggins. scores of february and march are insignificant since they have major inflation within them.