dammit you stole my thread, and no way does mine hold up as well as yours. Ryan > montecarlo.

count me in on wanting to reform the top tables/players. and count leek in too. THATS RIGHT BITCHES, MONTE AND LEEK ARE WORKING TOGETHER.

Heck, I've stayed away from the top tables for about half a year because of the political nonsense, so I guess you can count me in too.

Thankfully my promise to never again play a 10k is much easier now that they don't exist!

last month during my run at 1st my 10K record was 1st 1st 6th 6th 7th 7th 6th 6th. Dont need to say much else.....

sorry for posting twice already.

i find this humorously similar to obama's campaign against old wreckless-spending washington insiders.

YES we can defeat pga!
YES we can defeat point whores!
YES we can defeat elitism!
YES WE CAN!

but the real issue comes down to a personal one for every kdicer: will i reject the advantage offered to me if someone tries to throw me a game? it is goddamn hard to refuse a free undeserved win, or an undeserved 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.... Ryan, i figure you're the one that has to deal the most with this temptation, since every game you sit i bet a common reaction is, 'i cant attack Ryan, he is the fuckin bombastic creator of this awesome game!'

basically, its really easy to say no in the big situation. YES WE CAN! but its really hard to say no in the small situation. hmmm, you mean if i dont flag in last, you will kill someone else we dont know and i can move up to 3rd?

Its not the 1st time for leek-monte parthnership...

Monte, I think you're identifying that. Sometimes its hard to not get thrown a win. This is why I talk about culture in the top players. Currently there's a lot of top players who don't care how they get their top rank. The culture is that trophies are more important than a fair fight (see throwing games and buying points). We need a culture that admires good game play and sees these players a cheap.

It's a personality thing. Why would you take a game thrown to you without saying something? Do you need it to win? There still some top players that don't have sportsmanlike personalities. Either they change, or we need to identify this and kick them out.

KDice is a great game and to take it to the next level the unsportsmanlike personalities need to be gone.

Hm... maybe Ryan you (or somebody else) should write a nice piece of text with ethical "rules" or gentlemens agreements (or whatever you wanna call these "unwritten" rules) which will make the game more fun to play.

This would be a kind of an agreement new (and why not existing) players have to agree with when they sign up for the game. Can't explain it properly cause my native language aint english, but it can be compared to the oath eg. doctors take before practicing their profession. If the player will respect the rules, that's of course up to him...

3 proposals:

1) (from leek) progressive punishments. first time offender gets banned for 15 mins. 2-time offender for half a day, 3-time for a week, 4-time for 3 months. or something like that. its expected that a moderator will make an error in judgment sometimes, but i wouldnt mind a 15 minute ban. hell, it would just make me want to prove that i dont cheat, so i would play more cautiously afterwards.

2) anonymize tourneys (from willy and lots of other people ive talked to over the past couple days... mostly newer players actually). this would sadly require more coding, and Ryan has already coded a shitload recently.

3) more moderators (at least a handful per tourney). current mods have been awol at tourneys thus far. perhaps make it a requirement that moderators cannot play for the month that they are moderating? i dunno.

Awesome Ryan! I agree that the outcomes of games should be determined by the activities on the gameboard and chatbox, and not the pre-existing friendships of the top players.

I hope you have just begun with your punishment of CoMik and jpc4p. You have a whole lot more work to do.

I think tourneys are good the way that they are. I think that if anything PGA gets easier with anonymous people because then to figure it out you either guess through the chatbox:

XC: Monte?

And wait and see if he replies, or just IM someone.

I personally find tourneys much more fun than the regular game because there's more skill involved. I'd kill the person with the highest score, or an elite player because I know that they're the biggest threat.

More moderators are the key. Freezing accounts is the best way to curb cheating. ...where is rnd?
Point docking is key too. I remember when Riser got reset. That was big. That shook up a lot of things on the 2k's.

But I also think there's PGA hysteria here. I'm rambling.

1. Freeze accounts as punishment for at least a month.
2. More trustworthy moderators. (Wicked!, MadWilly, Emblair get my votes)
3. Keep tourneys the way that they are. Or make the point differences more significant.