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kdice McCarthyism
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JeremyS wrote
at 10:20 PM, Wednesday January 23, 2008 EST
What in the world has happened here?
I take a couple weeks off because I am not entirely comfortable with things and I come back to find leekstep's witch hunt in full swing. I can't believe that Ryan is running statistical queries on demand to try to ferret out cheaters for leek. It's great that he's paid a hundred dollars in membership fees or whatever, but really going after players as he demands it smacks of a favoritism far worse than anything a small group of players working together can affect. And, quite frankly, I wouldn't want to succeed at this game under the current circumstances. I can say that while I have never PGAed once in my life, I am certain that I do better with a given set of players than with a given set of other players at the table. The statistics, from what I've seen, are utter rubbish anyway. The first error is to believe that you can get a serious view of things from such a tiny sample as 40 games that two people have played together. I've gone on a run at a blackjack table in casinos where I won 3/4 of my hands over the course of a shoe... a similarly sized sample. If you sat down and looked at that, you'd conclude that the house is absolutely insane for offering a blackjack game as the players clearly win 75% of their hands. Secondly, none of what I saw takes into account the tons of other factors that might influence such things. For example, if you look at my games with Vermont, you might conclude that we are allies (I have no idea what the stats actually show). However, if you then factored in the fact that during half of those games Mad Hat Sam was at the table, then you'd discover that Verm was probably placing higher in those games as Sam and I basically kill each other on sight. So, not only do I consider this statistic mongering irrelevant given the sample size, I consider the fact that it's occurring at all a sign of how incredibly unfriendly this game has become. I'm sure that there are PGAs to a limited degree in this game. I am also convinced that the cure has been worse than the problem, as the forums are filled with this garbage and the environment has grown so unfriendly as a whole that it's just not FUN to come here and sit down anymore. In conclusion, a lot of people need to remember that this is a GAME... I'm talking to you leek, you know we get along swimmingly, but you really need to step back and chill the fuck out. And pgamonitor, kdicefreak, and anyone similar: Go outside, soak up a little sun, and realize that you have appointed yourself as the inquisitional squad in an online dice game with no prize money at stake. |
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integral wrote
at 12:28 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST that's alot of questions marks.
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biteme wrote
at 12:29 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST You're basically saying friends can't play together. Why not introduce team kdice?
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JeremyS wrote
at 12:33 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST Ryan, maybe it's because leek runs around talking about how you banned people for him and goes on and on about pgas and posts chat logs of you analyzing stuff?
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firefox1 wrote
at 12:40 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST how about an area to play kdice without rating and with private / protected / public? anyone consider how much fun it would be to play the old dicewars with the dumb computers replaced by smart humans? how about an area where you can just keep track of # of 1st place finishes and it ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T MATTER who you play against? could be a record of who had the most wins in one day, past week, past month ... why do we need this stupid rating system again?
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firefox1 wrote
at 12:42 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST the answer to getting rid of pga's is not "never play with your friends", the answer is "only play with your friends" ... why are there no 2 person, 3 person, 4 person games? why does every table have to have a bunch of strangers? i'm just sayin...
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CoMik wrote
at 12:46 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST Snape sits over his cauldron
like Ryan over kdice RIDICULOUS CORRELATI he chants and as the fog clears from the cauldron RND AND INTEGRAL CAN NO LONGER SIT |
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Mikeypoo wrote
at 1:04 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST Classic CoMik.
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RageUnleashed wrote
at 1:27 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST LOL! Nice Cody, nice
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Ridicu Correlati wrote
at 1:41 AM, Thursday January 24, 2008 EST from the transcript i read, it seemed that ryans correlations proved that all of the top 200 used 'unfair' tactics. infact, the only two people saint leekstep questioned about that were 'clear' of wrongdoing were 1) Mikeypoo and 2) Ssergio.
both of them have an inordinantly small number of games which probably caused this. using my phd in psychology to analyze the events here: it seems to me that rather than being some evil tactic used to subvert the kdice population, perhaps the 'pga style' friendships that last for more than a single game are something that naturally occur in human interaction when players are forced into a closed population with relatively few opponents. a question to ryan: how many of the top 25 are 'clear'? how many players above 20k? |
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Ridicu Correlati wrote
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