Is it fair for me to recommend that you guys just play an alternate account?

Its a game, and all of us are in character to some extent.

I don't go around yelling at mortgage bankers for misleading investors about the security of their sub-prime loans...
I don't go around pleading to the media that the Goverment is hiding Aleins from Mars who run the phamaceutical companies... But I like exposing conspiracy theories in kDice.

I doubt Vermont goes around the office slapping people in the back of the head for "not chatting" enough. But Vermont likes engaging different personalities and negotiating social order in kDice.

I doubt Mikey goes around having lengthy coversations with himself in different voices about stuff that only he finds funny... But Mikey likes having conversations with himself in the forum in different voices about stuff that only he fins funny.

I doubt Vohaul unleashes his rage on a car that cut him off... well maybe Vohaul isnt too far out of character.

The point is we all have different reasons to come here. It really shouldnt matter if you do it under that name rnd or rndaxs or PGA Monitor. Your friends will know you under whatever name you choose.

And you dont need trophies and stats for people to see what kind of competitior you are.

Rnd and Integral are totally awesome, and they will be just as awesome playing as _rnd and 1ntegral.

I dont have any idea who skuzzy is, but he must be doing something right to be mentioned in the same sentence as the great rnd and integral!

I'm not going to criticize Ryan for finally trying to do something to clean up kdice.

Pretty much all the regulars have done something at one time or another that warrants them being banned from this game.

And if I recall each time ryan banned someone in the past, it didnt take very long for him to let them back in.

So I recommend just taking your lumps and let the issue die down so Ryan can eventually forgive you.

And if I got banned for doing all the bad stuff that I have done, I would simply say to Ryan "G#$%# Ryan you @$#%#$ #%#$%#%# I want to punch your #%##@@# throat you @%@%$@#".

Glad it wasnt me! w00t!

HE ALSO STATED THAT I HAVE A "CLEAN" RECORD ( untill thursday that is he Mickey ;p)

So that makes me one of the ppl you are trying to PROTECT (???) funny thing is I am one of your biggest HATERS. And I don't hate easily. I am too stupit for that!

Just leave Ryan should definitely consider MOD's but you guys will never get it. First learn how to play then learn how to commnt on a game you CLEARLY don't understand !!!!

Mickey I'll bring the wine, make sure to have candles!!!

Okay Leek i wasn't "bugged" so i am not too worried about all this. But i have had heard people bitching about some of the many issues that RND and R0N brought up that you did not touch on. This conversation is not about using mains and alts and it is not about your crusade against PGAs -- although it may seem like it to you.

I realize that you are the new 800 pound gorilla on kdice, but you too should have an open mind about the issues -- other than PGA crusades -- that people care about. Otherwise you are one-dimensional and people will not take you seriously. You will not be able to become the Jeffersonian figure that you strive to be. The Monument makers and statue crafters are waiting. Will you be the 22nd century leader? or just another boring do-gooder that lost his idealistic erection on a one dimensional crusade.

RND--

Sorry it took me so long to respond, but here are the points I had problems with:

"I enjoyed the game -- but mostly because of the great friendships, and spunky personalities that it seemed to foster.

--Really? Good for you and your friends. But going back to my last post, Ryan NEVER implies anywhere on this site that his intent on making this game was so you can make bff's. I've been playing for a pretty long time. Although I am familiar with names, I haven't made many friends (or enemies). I just come to play a game and have fun. Kind of like a poker night. My expectations when I started playing here was that I wished I could play DICEWARS against real people. I didn't know others had higher expectations.

"We were interested in team games, censorship, and the definition of PGA -- all these requests were completely ignored"

--See my previous post.

"he would have nothing without his players, and his draconian and totalitarian treatment of them in recent months is not only unfounded, but dispicable. KDICE IS NOTHING WITHOUT ITS PLAYERS".
Also someone said that only 5% of the players actually post in the forums.

--True, Ryan would have nothing without ALL of his players. But I'm sure this game would go on even if the 5% of the players that complain in the forums left. The game is almost an entity of it's own. I guarantee that if the "elite" all left today, there would be plenty of people that would be glad to take their place, with the current rules in place (or whatever rules Ryan made up)--and probably with a lot less complaining.

"In the last week, Ryan has banned, muted, or benched, numerous players without cause. He has given no explanation, and quite honestly I don't think he has one. He has repeatedly singled out certain players based on accusations that are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE in the current time, and has ignored a much, much larger group of people who do infact do exactly what he has deemed cheating -- and they do it blatantly, in the open, and WITHOUT FEAR OF REPRISAL."

--Who cares? In the grand scheme of life, really. And like I said before, as "unfair" as this may seem, as soon as those accounts come back on-line or those players make new accounts, they'll be back playing again. And they'll be just as good as they were before and talk to the same people they did before, etc....

"Ultimately, I believe the problem is that Ryan chooses to attempt to control the kdice population, something he really has no business doing -- and certainly has no business doing based on his half assed one sided enforcement of rules he refuses to make public."

--He CAN control the Kdice population. It's his "business" both figuratively and literally. It's his call. His rules seem pretty public and clear to me--play, have fun, don't PGA, at least have some semblence of respect to other players. What more do you need?

"Rash unfounded actions which are abhorred by a majority of the community is no way to create a peaceful and friendly environment in which to play."

--The elite in no way make up the majority of this community. The majority is actually us common folk who truly love to just jump on and play every once in a while. And if you come down to the lower tables, you will see that the "majority" are actually having fun playing with the current rules. It's peaceful AND friendly. The majority have not made Kdice a career and are much more flexible to the constant changes.
There were a couple points I missed, surprisingly, but I'm sure you get my point. Also, I have a response to something r0n said:

"Indeed, but what you fail to understand is that this site is nothing without its users, and paying and non-paying members have every right to voice their opinion about the changes and procedures that happen on this site without fear of random bannings."

--I think if you read and re-read this statement you will see that it is wrong in its entirety. Users, whether paying or not, have NO right to voice their opinions here, unless Ryan allows them. And there can be consequences. Don't get me wrong, I may not agree with everything Ryan does, but I'm sure he created this forum as well as the game. I know that when I donated, I didn't sign any kind statement allowing me any rights to voice my opinion, not get banished, etc...
If someone wants the right to voice their opinion without fear of reprisal, then they should open a blog on a SEPERATE site and under a different name. Like I said before, I have never had any expectations, just like when I donate to toys for tots...no return except a sense of feeling good.

I hope I cleared up any confusion in my previous post. I also have no intent to disrespect any one, I just feel after almost a year of post reading, I have to exercise my PRIVILEGE of adding an opinion.

jje:

1) you freely admit you have made no "real" friends here.

2) because of this you believe that "social kdice" does not exist, and anyone that does think so is wrong, cheating, or some other nonsense

3) we are playing a fundamentally different game, and therefore i think our comments can coexist peacefully, so long as you dont try to make everyone in the top 200 play your kdice.

monte, i did it again :(

"consistency is the sign of a small mind"

Ryan - please ignore RND, don't post clarifications. I prefer the unpredictableness of your reign of terror and censorship. (However I do wish to note that I've been carrying the torch of anti-censorship long before RND ever said a thing!!!)

jjledeuce - there's not much to say but are you seriously trying to get into a peeing contest over this post?

RND - you'l always be the wind beneath my wings.

mpoo - you smell like poo and you can't keep me locked up forever in the cage.

BTW I should point out that "life with Ryan" predicted all this in the "book of RND".

\o/--

"2) because of this you believe that "social kdice" does not exist, and anyone that does think so is wrong, cheating, or some other nonsense"

--I disagree. I do know kdice is social. I actually like socializing while I play. I also never mentioned anything about it being wrong, and have never accused anyone of cheating. i am just pointing out that socializing wasn't the original intent of this game. The game itself is. When the social aspect starts to overshadow the game play, we can see that some people get their feelings hurt when things don't go their way. Keep socializing, just realize at the end of the day, it's a game. If people want to focus on the socializing, there are a plethora of messenger services. I just don't feel that the social aspect should dictate the rules/play of the game, outside of stopping/eliminating pgas.

"3) we are playing a fundamentally different game, and therefore i think our comments can coexist peacefully, so long as you dont try to make everyone in the top 200 play your kdice."

--My kdice is whatever kdice ryan dictates. This applies to the top 200 and the other thousands below equally.

Biteme:

I know this post is rather insignificant, i just felt it was the time to voice my opinion. Plus, kdicefreak can't do it all by himself. There are more complainers about the game and not enough complainers about the complainers.

from the transcript i read, it seemed that ryans correlations proved that all of the top 200 used 'unfair' tactics. infact, the only two people saint leekstep questioned about that were 'clear' of wrongdoing were 1) Mikeypoo and 2) Ssergio.

both of them have an inordinantly small number of games which probably caused this.

using my phd in psychology to analyze the events here: it seems tome that rather than being some evil tactic used to subvert the kdice population, perhaps the 'pga style' friendships that last for more than a single game are something that naturally occur in human interaction when players are forced into a closed population with relatively few opponents.

a question to ryan: how many of the top 25 are 'clear'? how many players above 20k?