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Open letter to the Kdice Community
XxDiceyGirlxX wrote
at 12:08 AM, Monday September 24, 2007 EDT
Dear Kdice Community,

For almost 2 months I have tried to find a way to like the new version of Kdice. I tested on the test server, I have logged many games this past month and I finally have to say… this version leaves me frustrated.

I get the whole poker style wagering system, but Kdice is a much more complex game. In poker, you can’t work a pair of threes into a royal flush, but in Kdice you can work a pair of three stacks into a corner and win the whole game.

It’s not about the dice you are dealt in the beginning it is the way you understand the game and the strategy to make those dice work for you. In Poker – you are dealt what you are dealt. So for me, a poker style scoring system falls quite flat.

It took me a while to get to this point. But yesterday, I played a game that went over 40 rounds and it was exciting… full of strategy and old-school kdice entertainment. There were allies and enemies fighting it out for 1st place. The 8v8 game was the best since August under the elo system. Something I rarely see in the new version.

In the end… the only person to get points was first. A dull thud to what could have been a fantastic game. It’s a real shame that this has to happen… that games now can be completed in 5 rounds. There is no point to have a long game or to employ any sort of strategy to play. Just click, roll, and go.

But that’s not the only thing that has suffered. When I started playing Kdice, I realized quickly that it was just not a game of war, but it is a game of war AND allies. The social aspect of the game was just as important to the strategy aspect. The sheer dynamic of this left the game open to players of many different skill sets. Social networking became an important factor of the game.

Now it is different… There is very little community or communication… just complaints.

To be successful you just grab as many points as you can as daftly as you can. I have watched rooms before logging in to see top players getting fed points. And that really saddens me.

The race for first is no longer the best dice player… it’s just the best point farmer.

In the old game, there were creative and extreme ways to win as well, but they were manageable and noticeable. In the new version, things are driven underground and the ugly underbelly is that the game is no longer about who is the best dice player… it is about who can figure out creative ways to grab points and with great paranoia watch others do the same thing.

Now… I stumble upon people feeding each other points and endless conversations about how the new version doesn’t quite meet everyone’s expectations.

Everyone is clear and unhappy with the point farming, but no one standing up and making a change.

Just to be clear, I’m not putting this out to bitch about the game. I respect what Ryan has done to create and maintain the game. And I really enjoy the game and the people I have met. It’s one of the more fun games I have ever played.

And Ryan, I hope you don’t take this as an attack on the new version. I would hope that you will give us a chance to voice our opinions because at the very basic level – we are all partners. You and the player community work together to make this game what it is and I would like to extend a platform for us to discuss where we are at as a community with this new version.

I hope that in responding to this post, that you will forward the conversation and be honest about what you think. Whether you agree with me or not… that doesn’t matter. What’s important is that we have a voice.

So, this is where I stand. I’m frustrated.

How about you?

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wishbone wrote
at 10:11 AM, Thursday September 27, 2007 EDT
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THE NEW SYSTEM IS HORRIBAD (SHIFTED FOR BETTER EMPHASIS)
biteme wrote
at 11:54 AM, Saturday September 29, 2007 EDT
Is there a powerpoint deck that summarizes your encyclopedia post?
algios wrote
at 10:45 PM, Saturday September 29, 2007 EDT
I am not quite sure if an answer still can be seen.

so *bump*
claudius wrote
at 10:54 PM, Saturday September 29, 2007 EDT
you guys keep saying you want the game to about strategy and not luck, but then you turn around and say you miss the excitement of the 8vs8 game in the old elo system.

I happen to like the new system except for one thing and that's the fact that only 1st and 2nd place get points.

However, the new system opens the door to a whole new strategy which is if you know you're not going to be in the top 3 you have to target the weaker people in order to force them to resign first.

Anyhow, the new system has it's advantages and disadvantages but I still like it.
algios wrote
at 12:05 PM, Sunday September 30, 2007 EDT
*bump*
XCBatman wrote
at 2:14 PM, Sunday September 30, 2007 EDT
Is Ryan ever going to correct this thread?
Kehm wrote
at 4:52 PM, Sunday September 30, 2007 EDT
I stopped after "Kdice is a much more complex game". That's the stupidest thing I ever read.
go_die_big_city wrote
at 5:28 PM, Sunday September 30, 2007 EDT
I have been playing kdice since last december. I once made a new account, because noone could click at my old nick and it was so long that the even the window with the map has been made smaller. I didn't played many games so I missed the rise from the 1900 to the 2k tables and getting from 1800 to 2k is quite hard. But in the end I made it only to discover the test server. The test server was great. I hardly ever played at the ELO kdice (I didn't even made a second place in August). Even if you had to wait hours for a game it was still worth it. The games were fast, there were hardly any bad players, everyone knew who to play, everyone you met was nice, you could met the same people. In other words a near perfect community. I loved it, miss it badly and I want it back. At first I thought this new scoring system would be as fun as it was on the test server and I really looked forward seeing it going public, but after playing a month and 262 games (college just starts in October so I had enough leisure time to waste) I can say that I am frustrated. My score just feels like a jojo. I don't want to play with someone who makes irrationaly moves. If someone gains an advantage by attacking me I unerstand it, but if I can finish him off next round it completly makes me mad. I can't stand people who don't know what they are doing. I would rather play the old ELO kdice than the current version.
vac wrote
at 5:53 PM, Sunday September 30, 2007 EDT
The new system discourages people from actually playing the game. People would eventually just sit themselves out with "ELO" (still don't know what that means beyond Electric Light Orchestra), sure, but knowing how much points you'll end up with and being given the ability to nuke yourself make for less people playing for playing and more people playing for points. What a way to shit on a good thing.

Why so staunch, Ryan?
lesplaydices wrote
at 6:23 PM, Sunday September 30, 2007 EDT
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