Everyone support the liberty of mouse please :

http://fastblogit.com/permalink/?item=15926cant

I respect the nipple. Been here for ages; can confirm.

Hey stak, I don't agree with banning it either.

I asked Ryan why it had to go (since me and all other mods allowed peter to use it since he was actually a good example of a honourable player who never causes troubles) and he explained me he got a message from one of his ad providers that they do not want to do business with a site that allows that kind of avatars

The first rule of #kdice.com has been "no pornogaphic avatars" since time immemorial.

According to jurgen, Ryan always interpreted this rule as "no female nipples, no genitalia". It just hasn't been enforced by anyone, besides the nipple mouse, ehervey's smurf licking a nipple was also tolerated.

Interested readers should find more info on this here: http://kdice.com/discussion/topics/45158749

Stak, I can fully understand your frustration but if it's true what Ryan gave as explanation, let's not create too much controversy. It will have to be removed again then.

Maybe we should have just taken it down from the start as it violates the "rules" but like I explained, Peter was always a nice kdicer so it felt harmless.

How about you keep the avatar for one more day to make your statement and you remove it afterwards? Just to cover all bases, I would like to ask everyone else nicely to not put the avatar up too.

this obsession of north americans with nipples is really weird to someone in europe.

are male nipples ok? christian churches often have a representation of christ showing his nipples, so i presume it is.

how about famous statues like venus de milo, or paintings like The Birth of Venus? these feature in adverts and popular culture a lot, so it would be weird to ban them.

are animal nipples ok? is there a distinction to be made between simian and dog nipples? it's a minefield!

the money is always going to win out, so this comment is pointless really, but it would be nice to know where the boundaries are.

I don't think Americans are "obsessed" with nipples, nor that they'd be obsessed with genitalia or nudity/sexuality in general.

They just have different standards. And the same is true for films.

A film showing female nipples or genitalia of any kind would be unlikely to get G (general audiences) or PG (parental guidance) ratings. They'd most likely get PG-13 (inappropriate for children under 13) or R (restricted) ratings from the Motion Picture Association of America. On the other hand, they are a little more lenient with violence, a few gunshots or some kicks in the ass would be perfectly OK.

In European films, it's likely different, esp. for the French. Even art films intended for broad audiences could feature some flesh but less likely to contain violence.

It's a cultural thing.

Btw. even if they seem a bit too strict for Europeans, I think Ryan's criteria are at least objective and straightforward (easy to interpret). I guess the rules section of the website could be amended to make it clear for everyone and prevent any flame wars/ill feelings among the players.

Well...sorry, but I can't understand Ryan's decision to ban Peter's av like I can't imagine anyone would feel offended about Peter's av. I would bet my butt: anyone who sees it will just get a smile on his / her face. It's a "mouse with a moving nose", not a woman's breast with a nipple. And even if someone doesn't think this way, he / she will simply roll with his / her eyes but for sure he / she won't feel offended or anything like that. Banning Peter's av is as laughable as banning Herv's av (omg - I'm speaking for him again in this case -_-). I know the mods have to do what Ryan decided. In fact I think it's a good and clearly needed rule not to allow pornographic av's (thinking of Yohan's pics.....brrrrr) , and I respect Ryans decision about pics like that - but av' like Peter's and Herv's are clearly not pornographic. Even kids and teenies are laughing if they see Peter's av - and i tried it when i showed it my 14 year old son: he smiled about it and that was it. So imo an av like theirs should be allowed as an exception - if not coz it's funny then maybe with the argument they both have their av's since many years. And if they still aren't allowed to use them, you also should remove the one which is almost the same as Peters (talking about Mutomba's pic - sorry Mutomba) - coz that "mouse" isn't banned yet.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154172790975752&set=a.58578100751.83816.582515751&type=1

Pretty sure, Peter's avatar was showing a photoshopped male nipple.

ty staka for ur efforts to liberate lil mousey - as a computer-fool, it took me an hour to create an untouchable solution---! :) mousey is back ^^