You are right about one thing. When people sit against the funnel crew the only way they have to make points is to attack the funnel crew. This can look like pga but only if you look at it extremely objectively which the mods say you can't do in regards to pga because it's too complex. Sooooooo which is it? It's either too complex to judge or then everyone in the top 25 should be banned because everyone int he top 25 plays exactly the same way.

The only thing DLK did wrong was have more points than qazi too early in the month.

The whole "I saw you pgaing with DLK" is pretty pathetic. If I was really cheating I would be keeping my head down right now and happy I got 20k points out of the deal. Instead I'm waving the banner high as I can. DLK cost me more points than I got by sitting with him. Hell I was going to fight him for 3rd place on a 5k for something like -2k point (terrible dom) when Jurgen banned him and Sir Dice for SIMPLY ABIDING BY THE GAME RULES. I ended up winning 9.5k points that game. The game before that I was trying to let DLK get killed so I would get 4th not 5th even though I flagged DLK. Some PGA partner I am right?

Qazi uses proxies and friends to suicide into you game after game and then records them and then goes to jurgen and says "See they are cheating" when in reality what the players are doing is DEFENDING themselves against cheaters. Jurgen is being a real dick by not acknowledging this. Or he is simply really stupid.

In the games before DLK and Sir Dice were banned we tried to get a 3v3 going because we had 6 people. It would be based on starting order etc. Qazi was the only one who repeatedly refused to go along with it and forced us to "play normal." The reason he didn't wanna play teams is because he knew jurgen was there watching and he was doing everything he could to get his competition banned. Like the piece of shit he is.

Bullying me into a taking a moral stance that is not my own is simply not going to work.

You need reading comprehension skills. I said I was sure after 1 game you we're PGA, like most. But after re-sitting at same table, and seeing more games unfold, it was clear you and DLK, also, DLK and Sir Dice we're NOT a PGA. The way you guys play at times can lead someone to a PGA conclusion basing it off of simply 1 game. But if you saw more, like I did, you would realize it wasn't a PGA.

Hooked on phonics bro... it works, go for it.

Sorry that I misread. I'm a little pissed at people saying I'm PGA. Especially Jurgen using it as a threat to silence me from drawing light to his actions.

Anyways sorry.

Most people with a lot of points pga. They just don't know they do it themselves, but yell out when they see others do it.

Leave Jurgen alone, he's doing his best. PS: You're weird.

+1 Api (again, this is becoming a habit) though I'd put it a little different.

Most people with lots of points (or lots of games) sometimes receive favors in form of non-attack or a kill from others. They sometimes give such favors. Clearly it is game-to-game favors and clearly it is against the rules. Sometimes there are long times between the favors - it is just a positive feeling towards an account that "pays" occasionally. Most likely there are things that look like clans or groups. However, most of us (and yes, I do include myself within the behaviour described above) do not have conversation outside the chatbox or some agreements and appointments. And at other times all positive feelings won't prevent that kill. Jurgen doesn't ban for something like that and that's right, as it is more of a social sideeffect of the game than actual teamplaying.

you're both right apig and Louis

but give STJ a break, as Dick mentioned before, STJ needs better reading comprehension skills.

I didn't accuse him of pga. If I thought he was pga, I would have banned him.

I said that he had a hard time ruining DLK in some games (where he should have) and that was definitely true in some games. Maybe he didn't have the balls to go for the win. Or he fell for DLK's manipulations or wanted to kiss up to him. I don't really care why. Obviously I put everything in the right context since there is no ban for him. Can anyone see a ban for STJ? Nope. Maybe I took away his post privileges because he's lying in the forum and accusing me of protecting Qaz when in fact I banned Qaz multiple times for pretty long periods? Nope, no bans for STJ

It still gives me the right to call STJ out for his heavy OTF play with DLK and tell him he's lucky that he had to deal with me. Another mod who doesn't care as much as me about fair bannings could have easily banned him.

I don't really plan on keeping this stupid non-issue discussion alive so STJ can have the final say. My advice would be to man up and let it go and enjoy playing.

i only funnel beer and only if a topless girl is holding the funnel

Also, pgaing/playing together/otfing/doing favors to eachother to beat "the evil ones who are ACTUALLY cheating" is the excuse of all evildoers ever. It doesn't make it ok. I'd bet you five dollars the other "team" uses the same excuse. It's all about perspective. But then again, I don't know shit about this one incident, but i'm betting my ass on that's how it went down anyways. Cause human nature.