Agree with Sam...

@Cal Ripken

You are the definition of a low information voter.

man we got 12 posts into a possible constructive conversation before your batshit crazy ass had to start resort to insults.

if you don't have anything productive to say - why not just fuck off?

Your comments weren't productive. You stated a bunch of lies and bullshit that have no relevance other than being the lies one side is saying about the other.

House passes a government funding bill - but ties it down with delaying Obamacare funding for a year.

Senate rejects any bill that delays such funding.

As such, government funding doesn't get resolved, effectively "shutting down" many federal services/offices.

Please, enlighten me as to what is actually going on if this is all lies reported by...oh every single major news source.

That was the first bill that was passed by the house. The most recent bill was to cut out the medical exemption tax and put congress under the ACA which they have previously exempted themselves from. The senate didn't like that bill either and Reid wont let it get to the floor.

In-between the bill that you stated (which is treated by MSM and idiots like you are the ONLY bill) and the bill I stated there was another bill that delayed the individual mandate a year to match the special waiver that Obama gave large businesses. The senate refused to pass that bill as well.

So hey you can keep thinking you know everything because your a fucking idiot and take facts you see on TV as your only reality but it wont change the reality of the situation which is the fact that the Dems shut down the gov in order to try and win the house back in 2016.

Your Fox News comments are funny too. Fox has spent most of their coverage bashing on Ted Cruz and saying that the Republicans are stupid for trying to do what they were elected to do. For me to be watching them AND agreeing with them would mean I think the Republicans should cave on this.

I think the government shutdown is fine. Obama is out there making himself look terrible trying to hurt as many businesses as possible during the shutdown and it's going to backfire huge on the dems and we will see even more Libertarians in government in 2016.

and then you'll wake up Yodel

Drive-by one liners aren't an argument that will convince anyone but those of the lowest intellectual class.

Whatever the reason, this situation makes both of the sides, or even the whole political class look bad. We can only hope that somehow someone realizes this and comes up with an actual solution.

Like: let the public (the Americans) decide whether they need Obamacare or not, and make both sides respect that decision. And in the meantime, maybe they coukd reboot all the agencies/programmes that were shut down?

Is there anything more gratifying than watching someone type out "your a fucking idiot." You're honestly reaching self-parody at this point, Yodel.

You conveniently forgot to mention that the third bill also sought to delay any enforcement of the individual mandate- one of the more significant parts of the ACA, wouldn't you say?

Whether it's defunding, delaying funding, or delaying implementation of Obamacare, every one of the bills passed by the house attempted to undermine the law and you're acting like the Democrats have no ground to stand on in this fight.

My entire point was that certain members of the GOP were holding parts of federal funding hostage - by forcing a debate over an already-passed law through a completely unrelated budget bill. Nothing you said - despite ignoring a key part of the 3rd bill in your recap - changes this, regardless of how uninformed you claim I am.

I'd love to see where I criticized Fox New's coverage of this, as you also claimed. I enjoyed their take on Cruz, actually - so I guess we agree there. The big difference being I came into this thread to drop a couple thoughts on what's happened (I assume the point of Thrax's OP) - whereas you joined it to...call me names?

Good luck with getting those libertarians in congress, by the way. I'm sure it'll work out.