You can construct a measure that satisfies the Vermont rule: all wins increase score, all sevenths decrease score, by subtracting the TAPL from the TAZD. But if you accept the TAZD-TAPL difference, you have to accept the validity of its two components.

1. bonus kill points encourage players to attack weaker players instead of focusing on their fight with stronger players.
2. negative points for being killed encourages weak players to flag out early and lets stronger players to go for their fights.
3. also negative points will encourage weak players that just leave the table and waste other players time to flag out before leaving.
4. one other option is to have both positive and negative points.
5. i agree with allowing players to flag out on their turn. but, sometimes people cannot flag out because their rank is higher than the last one. i think if we are limiting players to flag out on their turn, there should be a way for them to _really_ flag out.

Only flagging out in your turn is the best solution imo.
In addition two flag buttons (one for the postition you currently maintain, one for last) could be useful.

TAPL-TAZD made me laugh.

i mean TAZD-TAPL
not that it matters

i like the kill points, yet think ge table points should return to hoe they where. the combination of these 2 make the game less enjoyable for me

I think dot called me a bully.

Just because I like aggressive play in a WAR GAME does not mean I am a bully. Thanks.

100 for dom tables? 50 for the low tables? I don't think it should be much more than 100.

Oh k8, I am sorry that you (specially you) took my comment as a personal attack, but it doesn't mean that I have changed my mind. You can be as much agressive as you want, but attacking and killing someone who has declared is not your enemy (and enjoy it) is a bulling act. I am afraid that the "old school" haven't realised yet how many people have quit this game because of that attitude.

Otherwise I was just giving my opinion as a player, and I consider that Ryan should be interested in all players' points of view if he is running this game as a bussiness and he expects to get some profit from it. Of course if he doesn't give a shit his own game I have nothing else to say, anyway I am quite retired already...

PS. It is not only my opinion, a high percentage of players share it, unfortunately most of players don't participate in the forum, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist...

And thats why I love you zorrita. :)