lol@thraxle having no more arguments and giving the 12yrold suicide bomber example
man i need more charts from BO about stupidity of republicans (and people believing in democracy)

and for 10k civilians just google
"8832 unama"

since its past 5pm im out guys, hf

P.S.
at least have the sincerity to say "fuck yeah we are preying the whole world since we are the global power. I'd be ok with that

"stupidity of republicans"

LOL, I'm pretty sure BO would be on my side of this argument, not yours. What country are you from anyways? I'd like to know why you sound so jealous of my lifestyle.

No American in this thread is claiming we are without sin in our international affairs.

You are ignorant if you think the world would be a better place if the US never got involved in world affairs.

I have no problem with Islam in general, but since the death of their prophet they have been killing each other in tribal conflicts for damn near 1400 years. If you cannot come to enough of a consensus in 1400 years about how at least to stop killing each other in the name of religion, maybe you should stop trying to claim you conflict is about religion and more about backasswards tribalism.

If the civilians of Pakistan and Afganistan don't want to die in this war, they should kick these assholes out of their neighborhoods or overturn the government that lets them live there. The Fact that we risked US casualties to kill OBL by sending in teams instead of bombing the shit out of that entire complex is admirable.

welcome to the forum charlie

If the civilians of USA don't want to die in this war, they should kick these assholes out of their neighborhoods or overturn the government that lets them live there. The Fact that we risked Arabian casualties to wake the americans up is admirable.


^^^don't mean this

don't give me shit about civilians with no weapons standing up to the pakistani government that is supplied by the us, and the taliban that had almost all of the military grade weapons and no reservations about using them.

YOU have better chanses of overthrowing obama than the people in these provinces have of overthrowing the pakistani gov.

I'm going to agree with what Sam and Thraxle said but I am going to add this: the United States is very much an empire, in the most contemporary sense. We aren't imperialist per se but we certainly do occupy other countries without as much as a second thought. I'd say that's the closest you can paint us to an imperialist power. Being familiar with US history I am aware that the US has traditionally avoided intervening in foreign affairs, especially those outside of its "backyard". The United States didn't aggressively seek out global dominion nor did it actively pursue becoming the world police force. In this way I think the United States is a reluctant empire and frankly I think that's better than say a Spanish Empire, British Empire, or the Soviet Empire.

Remember it was the Europeans that pushed for a partitioned arab world, the US was split on the idea of a pan arabic union and ultimately held its peace. A lot of the turmoil today is a direct result of the European partitioning of the world, despite ethnic, cultural and geographic boundaries. But to blame 18th and 19th century imperialism for our problems would be akin to blaming christianity for the decline of rome.

MrK is english not your first language or are you just stupid? Your ability to link cause and effect is horribly impaired.

Every time I read you cite the number of US troops and the number of innocent civilians killed, it made me cringe because it misses the whole point about what killing OBL means.

I personally view it as only tangentially related to the wars. 9/11 was a symbolic first blow from the anti-US terrorists asserting their power. In my opinion killing OBL has much more symbolic meaning than practical impacts on the attempt to end terrorism. Having him out there and alive gives a feeling of invincibility. He had a 25 million dollar reward on his head, and was the priority of the best minds in US intel yet he was able to outwit the US for so long. Finding him is symbolic of the US ability to find any terrorist.

matt this symbolism has it prize. From other links listed I am sure that you read the ones about bush actually having a posibility to get osama bin laden traded to a 3rd country, to then be prosecuted in international court?

he might only have gotten jail time, but the symbolism of osama attacking america, and within a few months being in court, and then in prison for life. that symolism would be that america can reach anyone, and if you choose to do terrorism, then you will spend the rest of your life in jail.

or we can kill 200k civilians in 2 wars, lose more than 3k, and then get him, while bankrupting the nation.


you know, lust for revenge made alot of people do alot of very stupid things, in fact most murders are crimes of passion.

All though dealing with foriegn policy is a delicate subject, not only did the Afghan gov ask for help in dealing with the Taliban, after CIA armed them for fighting USSR in the cold war. It has saved around 250,000 lives! Why how many civilian or diffrent ethnic tribes would have been killed in out and out civil war in the country had US/UK and a about 6 italian people not came to there aid! Look at the current unrest in the middle east there is no US army in Syria! Bahrain! how many are dead there maybe they should go in as they would keep the death toll down!!!