oh sorry i just read the first half of the sentence only

a high number of games only gives you an advantage if you maintain a high ppg, which is challenging. In the tapl/tazd, winning a 2k is worth the same as winning a 100. games*ppg is just table points. I think making a minimum of say 45-50 games would help even out the member's advantage?

First of all, I don't see a problem in having member advantages in any ranking. It has nothing to do with eliteless, it's common sense.

Members support Ryan and this site for a very reasonable price/hour of you life you waste here. It also allows 98% of the game options to be free and fun for all the non-paying players.

Yes, member tourneys help a lot for point gain but great non-members also have a good shot at gold (Nexon is the last good example). Member tourneys payout well but even with my good stats there last month I won under 2k a tourney. Tourney time varies from 20 to 90 minutes so I am estimating 1k/hour on members would be a great average. I think a skilled player can match that on regular tables easily (except early in the month when less 2k action)

The only possible way to get an good idea of the membership advantages (or influences on ppg, 1st 2nd% etc) is to have a member play at least 100 games with his main (having the membership) and 100 games with an alt. The alt has to play with the same goal to win as much as possbile (I add this cuz some people play the alt to have fun and flag out soon when bored, then you cant compare both account). If you get 15-20 results like that to compare, 30-40 if possible, we can really start estimating the advantage of membership

Jurgen is a valuable member of the kdice community and genuinely cares about the welfare of this game.

What a knob.

See #3 of my first post on the front page on this thread.

jurgs, I didn't want to completely eliminate the member advantage. I agree that it's fair that members pay for the site, so they deserve some advantage. I just wanted to make it a bit smaller.

I'm not saying members don't deserve and advantage or a "kickback" for contributing to the site. I'm simply saying that the point of measuring statistics is to compare players skill levels against one another. With some starting at point "A" and others starting at point "B", it's difficult to compare stats.

I agree with thrax and I wasn't criticising Chloe, I just tried to point out member advantage has an effect but it's relatively small for most players.

and starting points A and B are only a small part of the difference. If I remember correclty, monte gained over 2k the first day so he took away the bonus point advantage for the members. To me, the main advantage lies in the member tourneys but that is factored out if you use ppg x games

Like I said, if we really wanna have an estimate of the member bonus effect, we need to compare results of people who play with and without bonus. And even that will be difficult becasue I know I usually play differently on alts.

It's ironic that jurgen himself is not a very strong player, given the excessive thought he has put into the game.

Oh haha I just looked at jurgen's review wall and I just remembered what kind of person he is.

He "silent truced" with a player, to which two opposing players countered for a classic 2v2. His truce partner fought valiantly and went into both opposing players' lands in order to cut them, knowing that once he cut them, he would be attacked to no end. Jurgen, on the other hand, only very cautiously attacked without going for a cut, and did not aid his truce partner when he was in trouble.

Jurgen fought side by side his truce partner until he figured that he was losing, so he flagged. The two opposing players told him that they cannot accept his flag because it was a counter. Jurgen then denied that he truced with his partner, and then actually *attacked* his own partner. The two countering players were so disgusted by Jurgen's actions that they made him 4th and gave his weaker truce partner 3rd.

What kind of person are you, jurgen, to actually attack your own team at the first sign of difficulty? Have you no sense of decency?

So, now that Ryan is giving out 250 points to anyone who loses a couple of games, does it still make sense to use PPG in the calculation?