maybe instead of forcing anyone to do anything they obviously don't want to we could try to better understand why they don't and either accept that or modify the game to better motivate towards the kdice you would like to see.

playing with my alt (obscurehero). I'm down at the 100 tables and I'm increasingly frustrated by the large numbers of ppl above 2k. It makes things incredibly stupid. When you have 3000 pts and 4th is -8 pts... and 1st is 212

why even play?

Yeah, we had lower limits for the mid tables before and it tended to top players out of playing. The issue is that when you're the first person to break the 5000k limit on 500's you need to wait for at least six more people to break it and be online ready to play.

I think the answer might be in changing something on the lower level tables to promote more players to higher points along with having lower upper limits.

Here's the point distribution at the end of last month:

level | # players |

| 0 | 4209 |
| 100 | 1070 |
| 200 | 603 |
| 300 | 538 |
| 400 | 416 |
| 500 | 257 |
| 600 | 146 |
| 700 | 120 |
| 800 | 95 |
| 900 | 85 |

>1000
| 1000 | 615 |
| 2000 | 294 |
| 3000 | 165 |
| 4000 | 127 |
| 5000 | 73 |
| 6000 | 52 |
| 7000 | 21 |
| 8000 | 23 |
| 9000 | 15 |

>10000
| 10000 | 73 |
| 20000 | 37 |
| 30000 | 6 |
| 40000 | 12 |
| 50000 | 7 |
| 60000 | 2 |
| 70000 | 2 |
| 80000 | 1 |
| 90000 | 1 |
| 100000 | 1 |
| 120000 | 2 |
| 130000 | 1 |
| 160000 | 1 |


As you can see, a low 5000 point limit on 500's still only affects around 200 players and thats at the END of the month. How do we get more <1000 players up higher? Stricter limits on lower tables? What if 0s were limited at 100, 100s limited at 500, 500s limited at 2k? Something to consider.

Oh btw Ryan: what do you think about Lager's Cons??

you can avoid a lot of the game to game favor trading by having a larger pool of players at the top tables

people are naturally greedy and competitive and if you arent sitting with the exact same 20-30 people all month there is less incentive to have strong long-term relationships with everyone

thats one reason the elo days were better, you only got rewarded for playing the top tables so all 200-300 people who qualified for the 2k tables always played the 2k tables

a larger set of top table players makes the game more interesting and dynamic

ryan : What if 0s were limited at 100, 100s limited at 500, 500s limited at 2k? Something to consider.


YEAH Consider it !!! something like :

level | limit
______|________
0 | 150
100 | 800
500 | 4000
2000 | 10000

why did i spend time to make a nice table when i was almost sure that wouldnt be showed the way i created it... well i guess people can understand it anyway...

also consider having a forum (a real one), ryan.

why is it so important to have people at the 2k and 5k tables? just play at the 500 and have fun.

Most important thing: It's important that enough noobs come to the top tables in order to donate points to the players who always hang around there...

Hmm...


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