"Also I've played games with you and seen you play a bunch since you started your anti cheat crusade and I all I can say is this. I would rather play against a friendly 2-3 way pga (smart pga that doesn't own you out of spots) than have JUST YOU at a table. You are extremely opportunistic and insulting. And that's coming from a man who LOVES the insult. I just think calling someone fag repeatedly if they don't do what you want is well...Gay."

If you could provide me with a specific example I would appreciate it; for I would like to defend my actions.

I trust Shadolin to be a greedy fuck, I trust Peacefrog to be a moron and lack any ability to read the board or any moves made, I trust leekstep to flag ridiculously early, I trust nexon to be difficult if he is trucing someone else or to be a good smart ally if he is trucing me, I trust Kehoe to know how to play nice to a neighbor or to wreck you if you fuck with him more then you should, I trust dasfury to be a good team mate if I am in an obvious 1st or a difficult one if we are close to even and we are jockying for 1st with others left alive, I trust a game to be stupid if Travis is playing even if he isn't doing anything stupid himself, I trust rnd is expecting at least two people at the table to PGA him, I trust fiero to have at least 3 people at the table willing to throw the game to him, I trust.....

Do I really need to go on?

You get the point right? I might have a couple hundred games played against some of these people individualy I know how they play and there are many others I could list some gone some still around. I know when I can ally someone and when it is best to beat them and/or make them flag.

The top tables aren't hard, you just need to pay fucking attention and not be a stupid fuck, looking at you peacefrog, and you will do fine and think the game is fair more often then not.

What I'm saying is that I find you to be an unpleasant player to play with. You are overly aggressive in the chat and you tend to insult people for little to no reason.

The next time I see you doing it I will point it out. :P

I wanna know what sam trusts me to do. Out of curiosity.

"Why wouldn't players pga if they are after points?"

My thinking here is that if they got to 50k+ without pga then why would they pga at this point?

"Also a real cheater would use an alt with like 10k points and play "stupid" on the acc so it appeared like a n00b on a 5-10k vs a proxied alt."

If they can get their alt to 10k points as well as being top 25 then I don't think they would need to do this to do well.

"You don't like cheating...Fine no one but cheaters do. But try to come up with ideas that don't 100% kill the idea of gameplay"

You havn't really suggested how this would 100% kill the idea of gameplay

@det

Depends who else is playing, most of the time I assume you not to be a retard. Which is what I assume of most people I have played with enough.

I just listed some of the obvious people I have played with a ton and/or the people I have interacted with frequently. You name a player and I imagine I have an idea of how I should best play a game when they are playing.

Sam-

Don't you see how this can be unfair though? What happens when someone new comes in who you don't know much about? What if you are in a situation where you are given the option to truce two equally strong color's, but one you know you can trust, and one you've never seen before. Based on your knowledge you will be more inclined to truce with the player you know, you trust. Leaving the third, unsuspecting player confused and probably upset at having lost the game.

Am I wrong to think that this is a form of a game-to-game favor? In the past you've trusted this person, so you truce with him in this game against the unknown person. The unknown person isn't even given a chance and is knocked back down to 500 tables as a result; wondering what the hell he did wrong.

Alex your responses to me show how little you really know about the inner workings of this game.

If you wont hear what other people say then you wont ever learn. People do cheat with proxies. There is ALWAYS someone with 2 top 25 accounts every month.

The is fucking kdice you stupid fuck. IT IS A SOCIAL GAME. It is fucking logical to make the most informed decision possible based on all availble information. This is basic logic.

Now with that said your example is overly simplistic as there are many more variables then just simple strength.

Unfair: A unknown is playing smart being a good neighbor, I then screw them over in favor of an enqual strength neighbor that I have been sparring with but that I know.

Fair: New player acts like a moron all game pissing me off, I then ignore his flag rape him until he is dead then defile his still warm body just to make sure he gets the point and I instead truce the equal strength player that I have known for a extended period of time.

Do you see the difference. Sure the is some inherrent unfairness in the fact that this is a social game and you have to aware of the people do know each other. The thing is just because I know someone doesn't mean I plan to truce them or work with them before the game even starts. The real thing is if you act like a retard and piss people off the higher the level of table the more likely you will face a cohesive response to your retardation, most likely in the form of getting fucked over.

Peacefrog is a good example of this, he appears to be a person of moderate intelligence because he can converse in english and form coherent sentances. Yet he refuses to learn the simple ability of paying attention to how his neighbors are playing, how they are interacting with other players. He the proceeds to be confounded as to why someone is irate at him or why his flag is being ignored.

Play dicewars if you don't want the chat or want to deal with actual human emotions and relations. Sure we have fools like happy that do dumb things for girls they have only met on the internet, the flip side is the crystal seems like a perfectly intelligent human being caapable of understanding what is going on in the game and not expecting treatment in situations she doesn't deserve it.

So in closing, yes there are a small number of players that are obnoxious and "PGA" overall they can be marginalized if you simply don't act like a retard and simply play the game accept that most other people on this site are intelligent and are able to interact in a decent normal fashion.

Sam you don't always have to be a pompous ass you know. Ofc your are right but part of the problem is if you explain things to n00bs by calling them stupid fucks and nitwits you don't get anywhere. You do this a lot. It's why we don't get a long. But I bet you think you don't like me cause I'm a stupid fucking willy or w/e you will come up with this time. ;)