thats why i dont debate with french ppl i just beat them up

thrax, can you -post charles? for like "refusing to make sense"?

yodel, greed may be part of human nature, but so is honesty, compassion, curiosity, courage, sociability and cooperativeness. Of course there is also slyness, mischievousness, ignorance, cowardice and selfishness.
Education and experience affect the development of these attributes, while tradition, culture and legislation(thats where im coming back to topic, kinda) constitute which of them are good and respectable and which are bad and despicable.

oh, i wasnt saying that corporate america was at fault thrax, i was just trying to say something without being overly wordy. what i was trying to say is according to you

When the lawyers abuse the american insitutions of law as an excuse to make a profit, thats terrible

But when the doctors hike their prices up so they can still bring 250k+ home every year, thats perfectly ok

Oh by the way Jack Swallows,

About life expectancy, I found the data u asked for comparison USA/UE.
It comes from a list established by... the CIA (correct enough for u ?) for 2007.

European Union:
Population: 500 000 000
Life exp: 78.70 years (75.60 for men, 82.00 for women)

USA:
Population: 310 000 000
Life exp: 78.00 years (75.15 for men, 80.97 for women)

If the E.U was a real state, it would be 25th (same as the UK) and the USA come in 29th position

Other data for information:
France 5th
Italy: 11th
Spain: 14th
Germany 23rd
UK: 25th

Japan: 2nd
Australia: 7th
Canada: 10th

So bad, the costs are not given here. But anyway it would show the USA have got the most expensive system in the world.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_l%27esp%C3%A9rance_de_vie_par_pays

how does a lower life expectancy imply that the US has the most expensive healthcare system?

also, by that logic, wouldn't all the countries that had lower life expectancies than the US therefore have more expensive systems?

No ! There's no relation between the cost and the efficiency. The best proof is you've got the most expensive one for average results. lol

This said, Life expectancy is not really the best index to compare because it depends not only on the social system but on the general way of life too.

(Americans eat to much bad food and soda in from of the TV ! I guess you don't discover this information here ?)

That's right but it keeps a reliable data. A better data is infant mortality. But it's not better for the USA !

U can find a list here (still from the CIA ! lol):
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

France: 3.33 deaths / 1000 births
USA: 6.22 / 1000

Even Cuba is better than U with only 5.82 !

For the costs, seek yourself and you'll see.
I can't do all the stuff for u ! I'm not american, me ! lol

>It appears logic and thought have left the building.

Thrax, I'm still waiting for you to retract your claim that has no evidence. We can only have a thoughtful debate when the foundations of an arguement are made up....there's no evidence to suggest that litigation is the single largest driver of health case costs.

In fact today I saw that California health insurance companies are trying to raise premiums by 25% because too many people are out of work and not paying premiums. Not because of lawsuits.

i said: "There's no relation between the cost and the efficiency."

I should give precision.
I mean there's DIRECT relation.
It's not because you pay a lot of for insurance that the care system is more effcient.

One point is that many people can't just afford it !
And the global costs for the entire community is terrible ! Except for your private insurance companies of course (and the labs too).

Shit. "NO direct relation" ahahah