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Cowardice, gutlessness, and "oh i flag".
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jimmycolorado wrote
at 7:17 PM, Monday April 20, 2009 EDT
So, it's been my displeasure to witness despicable acts of cowardice on kdice so frequently that I can nearly guarantee you'll see it every game. The specific act? The "oh I flag to you" message.
Why do I think this is a problem? I'll attempt to explain it to you pea-brained peons. What happens when someone calls "oh I flag" when the game is say 3 or 4 rounds in? It causes the person who they flagged to, obviously the one with a slight lead on everyone else, to change their focus to other players on the board. Nothing wrong with that you say... WRONG! The person who called the "oh I flag" is now being ignored and free to sit there like a little sissy and watch as the leader takes out everyone else. He's the smart one, you say. Well, he's increased his position in the game, that's for sure, but as for smart? No, definitely not. He's taking advantage of a situation to the ultimate detriment of everyone else. So, you say, he's still getting a better position so he has to be smart? You could argue this point for a while, but what it really comes down to is enjoyment & cowardice, vs a few points. The flagger is not smart, he's just making the game less enjoyable for everyone else and being a coward. Smart or not, well it can't really be proved... but I'll always counter that argument with the fact that he may be smart, but he's a pathetic coward. It's part of the game, you say. It's not part of the game. It's not written in the rules, it's not a guideline, it's not kosher. The game is about taking territories and fighting until there is a victor and only a couple of challengers left. Those challengers were the ones who fought well, held their territory, and crushed their opposition to hold 2nd or 3rd. The ones who DO NOT deserve 2nd or 3rd are the ones who called "oh i flag" and then sat there, not earning their position. But flags are part of the game, you say... again. Yes, flags are, when you click that little button. Calling a "flag" in chat is NOT flagging, it's trucing. If you want to flag, click the flag and accept your position. Calling a "flag" (aka a truce) is meant to boost your position in the game, not accept defeat. In real life you need allies. True. This is not real life... this is a game that is meant to be fun. Calling these bullcrap flags is EXACTLY the same as saying "lets truce", but for some reason nobody sees that. I've seen quite a few people rage up about "trucing", but there's too many morons playing who don't consider "oh i flag" the same as a truce. It is exactly the same. Hopefully that has got you thinking. I have a particular hatred for this "oh I flag" crap because I play this game for a bit of friendly competition, and to pit my strategies against the opposition. I also watch sport on TV because it has good competition, not because I want to see one side, 5 minutes in after being scored against, say "oh we flag". What I want you all to do is not accept "oh i flag" anymore. I want to drive this culture out of KDice, so that we can have some good competitive games. I accept actual flags when I'm winning, for sure. I will never accept "flags". The dice, the territories, the strategy and the competition are what KDice is all about. The cowardly written "flags" are not. Think about it. jimmycolorado, aka the flag rager. |
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Alala Alala wrote
at 7:58 PM, Monday April 20, 2009 EDT Very well said. I agree 100 percent.
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KuDec wrote
at 11:04 PM, Monday April 20, 2009 EDT i hate those vFlagers too.
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StormLord wrote
at 5:43 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT Fuck off.
Am I the only one who gains no real gratification over ROLLING A DICE? And to not roll a dice I am a COWARD? The gratification comes through maximizing postion possibly by flagging or accepting flags. BTW, I flag. |
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:14 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT No storm, you are the only player that enjoys sitting in front of a computer screen and watching other people play the game you are "supposed" to be playing as well.
What gratification do you get by quitting one tenth of the way into a game and watching somebody else fight for you? Are a few internet points worth your boredom? I agree that we are all here to maximize points whenever possible, but not at the sacrifice of enjoying the game. My favorite games here are ones where nobody flags but two players truce and 2 or 3 others try to counter. The battle in a counter truce is fun as shit and much more enjoyable than sitting back and saying "guys, I flag 3rd, kill the rest of the board for me". Honestly Storm, I don't understand why you advocate for this weakminded boring style of play... |
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MiCao wrote
at 7:26 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT Although i did vflagging as well once in a while, i fully agree. Just out of curiosity jimmy: what is your opinion on trucing instead at that point in the game?
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StormLord wrote
at 7:32 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT If you don't take a piece in chess is that considered a boring game?
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StormLord wrote
at 7:32 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT (and obtain checkmate)
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Thraxle wrote
at 7:35 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT In chess you can't flag for 3rd and earn positive points, it's either win or lose.
In chess it's one on one and there is no dynamic that allows you to strategically interact with other players. You aren't winning the game because you didn't move a piece, you are earning points by surrendering to an opponent. Terrible analogy Storm... |
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Fountain wrote
at 7:45 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT I disagree with the poster.
Flagging IS a part of the game, if not specifically written into the rules it has been unofficially written in by the people who play the game, and probably for a good reason. You say that flagging and hiding is no fun, I agree, if you planning to hide on 1 territory or 2. But if you flag because you know your 3, 4 stacks are about to be ground to dust from 2 8 stacks, thats not stupid, stupid would be to not flag and then proceed to get knocked out and Im sure we all know THAT is no fun. Better to flag, obtain a chance at a 2nd or 3rd, then to get wiped out and lose a ton of points. You do as well as you can without flagging to other players, when you have no other options... u flag and do the best possible after that. |
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StormLord wrote
at 7:52 AM, Tuesday April 21, 2009 EDT Point being victory is the goal. Either gaining 1st place in kdice or checkmate in chess. A dice not rolled or a piece not taken doesn't make for a boring game.
Rolling the dice isn't the skill (any muppet can click a mouse). The skill is from EVALUATING THE BOARD and making decisions accordingly. If that decision is to flag then so be it, you've used your skills (of evaluating the board) to the best effect. |


