Gurgi you would be stupid enough to want two establishment types to run against each other with the bigger establishment type winning. *Facepalm*

TBY who do you consider non-establishment in this race? And what criteria are you using?

Just wondering

I too would want to hear these facts. Educate me instead of troll me, friend.

Someone who doesn't support the establishment as in either mainstream republicans or democrats.

Trump has a long history of doing huge deals in heavily regulated areas. You don't do that without rubbing shoulders and doing favors for politicians he might not be "bought" like other politicians but he's still as beholden to the "old boys network" as anyone else who was created using it. I know Sanders has seemingly viable credentials for anti establishment but socialism creates more government which further cements any "old boys network" already in place.

The idea that more government will somehow regulate big business is a joke since big business owns the government. In fact it's considered a common business practice to "regulate" your competition out of business. The more government there is the more opportunity there is for corruption.

*I'm not advocating for no government. I feel silly to even have to state this but it's a common argument used against someone advocating for less government. Nor am I advocating for a weak government. The powers the Government should have should supercede that of business. But they should be limited to the protection of the state and the protection of the consumer from fraud.






Ted Cruz didn't endorse a single incumbent republican in the senate for 2014. He said they were all RINO's and he's right. I'm not the biggest fan of his heavily religious angle but I know that he wont push it down anyone's throat because he is a federalist and a constitutionalist.

We live in an age of labels where if one has all the right labels they can act as they please. This leads to a distortion of right and wrong and good and evil. Which is totally how the powers that be want it. We "the people" keep voting in jackholes like Obama who say they will promote "hope and change" and instead we get a big turd sandwich in a different package. I'm not talking about race I'm talking about style but people are stupid so I'm cutting them off at the pass. I care much more in what a person does than what they say. Both political parties are good at giving speeches but when it comes down to actions they do the same thing; defraud the public any way they can.

I ask anyone here to point out one major difference between Obama and Bush. Not a speech they gave but an actual action. Feel free to quote "ACA" or "Gitmo" or "Iraq" I have rebuttals.


PS. I liked Ron Paul. Rand isn't his father. He endorsed McConnell in 2014. That was when he lost.

Ok I understand. I don't agree but I understand.

Ted Cruz has an alright record but I believe he is bought by Goldman Sachs / etc. Its one of his biggest contributors. For me that is a deal killer.

"I ask anyone here to point out one major difference between Obama and Bush."

Bush is white.

I'm not a huge Obama supporter but I don't want to get into the difference between Obama and Bush cause there are a lot. But that's not the discussion I want to have.

But I think youre making a leap with saying

"I know Sanders has seemingly viable credentials for anti establishment but socialism creates more government which further cements any "old boys network" already in place. "

Why would Sanders be to blame for having the same people in government and not the american people that vote them there? I feel like you jumped to a conclusion that isn't there. But I'd like to hear you talk more about it.

@deadcode, cute

@gurgi, I never blamed sanders your argument is a non sequiter. I simply said that more(larger) government is not the solution to our problems since our problem is big biz in collusion with big gov. Socialism, by defenition, is more government. Therefor Sanders ideas are malarky.

-@gurgi, I never blamed sanders your argument is a non sequiter.

"Gurgi you would be stupid enough to want two establishment types to run against each other with the bigger establishment type winning"

-I simply said that more(larger) government is not the solution to our problems since our problem is big biz in collusion with big gov.

Big biz isn't colluding with Ted Cruz, not Sanders. And just because the government is flawed now, doesn't mean it has to be. Sanders ideas is to get big biz out of government.



Follow up question, since I'm eager to hear what Ted Cruz supporters thing. What do you think would be the best way to get big biz out of government, since it's obviously not electing someone with ties with big banks.

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