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RYAN! please comment on this.
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Debwa wrote
at 5:08 AM, Sunday November 9, 2008 EST
So, im going to address a mentality that you have that really pisses me off as not one of the "top players". I feel that the best way to do this is to go through some of your quotes from the ridiculously long forum and explain
Why the hell is this NOT an issue at lower tables? Does it not still "ruin the integrity of the competition"? I used to compete (and it was a challenge and a goal for me) for the top 100 spots. I mostly stayed at 500 tables. Does that mean that cheating and unfair play that happens on the 500 tables doesn't matter because the integrity of my competition doesn't matter? Why is it that integrity need only be found on the top tables??? Ryan: But I'm only concerned that this stays out of the top players. Top players need to be about playing well and not who you know. Ok, cool, im not a top player, guess it's fine and dandy if I play all about who i know. forget playing well, i dont matter, my competition doesn't matter... i need not have integrity!! PGA FOR ME CUZ IM NOT AT THE TOP! Let's quote that again "Ryan: But I'm only concerned that this stays out of the top players". Ryan: KDice is a great game and to take it to the next level the unsportsmanlike personalities need to be gone. Unless of course you are not at the top. Ryan has made it very clear this issue only matters at the top. In which case, play on all you unsportsmanlike personalities out there! just don't get in the top 20 and you can be a cheater all you want! Ryan: we want some integrity and those without will get booted. See above. Does not apply to those ryan finds to be lower. Ryan: Rigor, if you don't care about being competing for a top spot go play the lower tables and stop worrying about what's fair. OMG RYAN! Really??? did you seriously just say that? I feel like all of the people that are not the top 50 you have mentioned should be in an uproar. "go play the lower tables and stop worrying about what's fair". Fairness doesn't matter at lower tables. You said it Ryan. Right there. Do we really matter that little to you?? You seem to deem fairness so much (i believe you told mike_mike that the game should be fair over fuN) yet it doesn't matter if the lower tables are unfair. Ok. cool. Thanks for being concerned with the play of the average person. Ryan: Johnson213, Yes, most people play the game in a good way and the majority don't care about the top players. This whole culture change doesn't have anything to do with the regular player. It's purely about the top players and the integrity of the competition. Most people aren't really competing for a top spot. Why not? Is it not a problem with the entire culture? Is it really just the elite that cheat? Just because someone has to fight hard to earn 4,000 pts doesn't meant that it isn't a competition to them. Just because someoen doesn't think they can make it to the top (or even want to try), that doesn't mean their competition shouldn't be fair. Ryan: Do not take your relationships between games. Its fine to be friends, but play the game as a single entity regardless of relationships. Otherwise it's clearly unfair play. But it's cool people not at the top. We can play unfair, since Ryan doesn't care. Thank you for making it blatantly clear that you do not care about the vast majority of people that play the game. Thank you for showing that those not fighting for the top 25 don't deserve a fair competition. Good God, no wonder some of the top players are elitist, look at the game creator. I know a lot of the top players. I like to chat, so I tend to make connections with people quickly. I like to play the game. I like a fair game. But apparently Ryan is "only concerned that this stays out of the top players". |
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Gadjett wrote
at 1:12 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST No Ryan, you are apparently an idiot. I did not even mention anything about the top players. I think it's great that your trying to improve that. My one and only concern was about your comments and how they directly implied a lack of concern for the fair play of the average player.
Did i take it to the extreme? Yes. I was upset. However, please, i beg of you, read some of the things that you wrote and tell me you dont see where I'm coming from. WTF Ryan. I never even mentioned top players. Get over it. I realize most people are hating on you for what you are doing but seriously, you are alienating the few people that actually support your actions on top players. "Thank you for making it blatantly clear that you do not care about the vast majority of people that play the game. Thank you for showing that those not fighting for the top 25 don't deserve a fair competition." don't you get it Ryan? if anything i was calling for MORE action on MORE levels, not less. |
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Gadjett wrote
at 1:17 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST I'm sorry I started that by calling you an idiot. This should not end up becoming a blow to your personality and character, and I am sorry. It is simply very frustrating to see you assume so much about my intentions without any real evidence to support it. It's like, you saying you only want to talk about top players is supposed to go without comment on my part, but my saying I only want to talk about lower players is completely disregarded.
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Gadjett wrote
at 1:22 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST To BlaiseSeaworthy:
You made some very good points, and you are right in that i am not justified to make personal attacks on Ryan. I'm glad that you read all of what Ryan was saying as meaning he did care about the lower players. As i said before though, when someone first confronted him with the idea of changing the top to help the lower, he actually told them that he was not doing this to impact the average players at all. I think he still stands by that. From what I can tell, and correct me if i'm wrong Ryan, he is not trying to make the play any different for regular players because there would just be too much to govern. What he is doing now is working on the few top players that he can. So no, he isn't trying to change anything for the regular players at this moment. (did i get it right ryan?) |
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TheDiplomat wrote
at 1:34 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST To Ryan:
I think you should totally disable dominance, it makes the game more interesting. |
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ChristianSoldier wrote
at 1:36 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST Dominance is a pointless confusion and I therefore welcome it.
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Thraxle wrote
at 1:41 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST Deb.........you're rambling now. Have a glass of wine and calm down.
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kam|k2 wrote
at 1:43 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST TheDiplomat wrote
at 1:34 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 CST To Ryan: I think you should totally disable dominance, it makes the game more interesting. >>> What about disabling nicknames, the chatbox, and everything else? lets all return to dicewars! |
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Gadjett wrote
at 6:41 PM, Monday November 10, 2008 EST Fair enough Thrax. I've calmed down a bit, and I would like to formally apologize to Ryan. I'm not sorry for bringing up what i did (I think that my feelings were still valid), but my presentation was certainly worse than it could have been. I let the fact that I was upset effect things and that was a bad decision on my part. I never actually said the point of why I wrote what i did (at least not at the beginning), so it is reasonable enough for Ryan to make his own judgments on that. I would still like to point out that I had no hidden agenda about top players. I'm sorry for some of my words Ryan, and I'm sorry I did not present my feelings in a calm, rational way.
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mmmBlowMe wrote
at 3:35 AM, Tuesday November 11, 2008 EST Stop crying Debwa. Ryan is busy enough without your bitching. If you don't like it, go play dice wars.
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Hardcoretraceur wrote
at 4:22 AM, Tuesday November 11, 2008 EST I love playing Kdice because of both the people and the dice. It's really an interesting interactive take on Dice wars. That said, I hate to be squeezed out of an earned place on any level table, it really doesn't matter to me how many points are on the line. I've seen 2500 tables played out perfectly fairly and 100 tables taken over by 3 way pgas. I see no reason for limiting respectful gameplay to just the top tables.
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