thanks ryan, we love you.

i hope to see a kdice free of PGAers, point farmers, porn avatars, abusive/racist language.

Something, perhaps the largescale abuse, made consistent winners. It provided us little people heros. You've taken that away. There's a reason why Hollywood exits, and no yellow furred imatation Snoopy can relace him. Please dont underestimate how much people want someone to lookup too.

Long live RND!!!!

"Probably the best way to sum this up is:

There are lots of people here that new or playing very casually. If you're a better player, or relying on more advanced social/political strategies please don't take advantage players who don't know. If you abuse this then you'll probably catch my attention. In the meantime I'll be thinking of ways to model the game so this works without the abuse issue."

Ryan, I have a bit of a problem with this: So you mean that if you are a better player (for what reason ever) you shouldn't take advantage of 'newer' players with less (strategic/social/political) skill. You don't ask an athlete at the olympics to run slower so it keeps the contest more intresting to weaker sportsmen. Nor do you ask USA to invade/liberate contries but to only use weaponery and technologies the adversary uses.

I know it seems a bit black/white like this, but really: Why can't the great just be great...?

Of course AIM etc... is something else and would be considered cheating.

BUT stating 'rules' in a forum that doesn't keep threads, just doesn't seems not enough to make certain things outlawed.

Only thing that's really bothering me is the sense that this community seems to change in a place where all the monuments of the old days are being torn down and people like the Kdicefreak thinking they 'won' their fight against cheators etc.., just read his last comment on how to 'report' pga, I mean screencaps as proof for what??

Anyways if you want to built your gestapo you know where to search...

i may be putting my reputation on the line for saying this, but...

i believe someone who has impacted this world very much said "he who has not sinned, cast the first stone"
so cast away fellow kdicers if you have never pga'd, teamed up with friends, given a friend better placement, farmed, or anything like that.

PGA is not cheating beacuse onece the other people find out it 5 vs 2 and there that is cheating shouldnt it more like 2v2 or 3v2 or something like that i mean 5v2 is more cheating than 2

its not in the rules is it

'round these parts, Ry's words are the law

If he makes a post with a title directly declaring it cheating, you've got some nerve to try and declare otherwise. I think the issue is pretty clear cut.

Aight, to aid Ryan in clarifying what he said, and reiterate, for posterity, I'll say what I said the first time in the huge "PGA list thread" some months back:

I used to play with my bro. We just used as a form of chilling together since I'm in New England and he's in California, so a way to stay in touch. I'd never attack him consciously, so are you going to get between that? I don't think so. Same with friends I've made on kdice. Or even friends outside of kdice, I don't hurt them, unless I really would be putting myself to a huge disadvantage (I still play for points, but if I attack, I'll be doing it to help you, hopefully)

And people know who I'm cool with usually cuz they'll give me a quick shout out or we'll immediately start a conversation, introducing the fact that we're acquainted through kdice or real world.

None of that is PGA. It's good clean fun, and really would ruin the experience if it was invalid to play nice to friends.

In my original posts about this, I especially made it clear that gunning for points is unruly and is what is defined in my book as PGA. What rnd had was a tricky situation, since he had both: friendships with his "cabal" but he was sincerely going for points. But really, yes, you cheated rnd. You are still a nice guy and all and are very intelligent, but from the perspective of someone who has since his first months of playing here has dreamed/aspired to consistently playing well and staying in the top ranks, you cheated. Why should I sit back and watch you or any other sneaky bastard manipulate games to win? Come up with any defense to my statement and I'll smash it. It's kind of out of place, and a little radical for me to say this, and I'm not really in the mood, but I think it's about time I get that one out.

Being helpful to your brother or friends is lame. Why not help some random person completely destroy your brother instead? If I know that Player X isn't going to attack me I use that info to unfairly win a hell of a lot more points. How about you and your brother go up to the highest table you can and announce you're not attacking each other and let me know how you make out?

He doesn't play anymore. he was smart enough to say "fuck it" after dealing with working hard to win one game and hardly working to lose all that he gained in the next. Aw, afraid of shumbody shaying whatsh on their mind? HMMM,?
Yeah, I'm still holding firm. Criticize me if you want, I was just finally putting it out there that there were times where I really didn't appreciate the bullcrap that was happening. I'm over it now, because it's not that bug of a deal anymore. But three things will always maintain for me: I wish to be a consistently good player, therfor I take points seriously; I won't hesitate to give someone shit about anything; and sometimes I take things too seriously.