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Integral rnd Montecarlo
leekstep wrote
at 11:44 PM, Saturday June 30, 2007 EDT
Ryan,

Most players have been pissed off lately by PGAs, secret ones that arent coordinated by actions on the board or in the chat box.

There was a group of people who seemed to be doing this the most, whom i call the cabal.

According to integral and montecarlo, The cabal is: cabal: rnd, riser, wishbone, dasfury, montecarlos, vermont, integral, bcmatteagles, x luck x, xcrobin


During my investigation, I met many people interested in taking down the cabal. The cabal would base their gameplay on instant messages. (the game to most people is about working the board and the chat box, deciding the game over a group of people on instant messenger is not part of the game). We even formed an informal team to take down the cabal.

Last month, our team decided that the best anti-PGA, and anti-cabal effort...
...would be helping X LUCK X beat rnd. Rnd had become cocky and everyone in kDice knew he was fixing games with people on IM. They would domfuck and manufacture finishes and make the game unnatural, elongated, and boring.

Our team succeeded in getting X LUCK X first, and I think we sort of taught rnd a lesson.

But then Luck had an elo that was undeserved and too high, and the cabal needed to PGA even more to compete with him. And so it went, IMs and PGAs intensifying (instead of teaching a lesson against PGAs, it only caused more).

This month i was able to infiltrate the cabal by chatting with them, and they started being nice to me. Eventually i was accepted by them and invited to join them in their cheating.

Mikeypoo has also wanted to take down the cabal, and I invited him to witness the cheating of the cabal.

I have attached the log for the first flagfest...
I beleive this is when Integral took first elo (see related news event).

There was a second flagfest (when Integral took first overall there is also a news avent).

Just by reading the public news events, everyone was able to see that Integral was winning his games in the first round or two.

Anyone who bothered to check the news can see that the game is ruled by a farce. A cheater broke the game to win it!

Please note that I'm hoping for immunity for me and Mikeypoo, because our only goal was to take these cheaters down. That's why we were involved, to spy on them.

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rnd wrote
at 6:33 PM, Tuesday July 3, 2007 EDT
DealOrNoDeal: I usually dont have any ill will towards anyone, despite how things may appear; but in our case, i truly despise you.

Xica: I've missed you
rnd wrote
at 6:35 PM, Tuesday July 3, 2007 EDT
half my post got deleted. (frown).

skrum: finally something interesting. what sports are there that are "every man for himself" as well as ranked both in game, and in a 'meta-game' manner. are there any, other than board games and card games (which don't really have meta-game struggles)?
rnd wrote
at 6:35 PM, Tuesday July 3, 2007 EDT
oh, and:

monte: sorry you didn't like my joke.
infizzle.com wrote
at 7:34 PM, Tuesday July 3, 2007 EDT
here's my two cents...

a few players ruined the game for a lot of players. alliances are part of the game but are supposed to be done out of in-game strategic purposes and not out of friendships (offline or online).

i think the kdice community has spoken pretty loud and clear that the whole fiasco really pissed them off. the only people who do not agree seem to be those who were in on the scheme (and their friends).

so i'm not really sure why the players who participated in the alliance are still hanging around? especially the ones who "retired". they're like 40 year-old groupies that just won't go away.

integral told me that it was because he liked to "talk" to people. i'm sure he has the screen names of all the people he talks to though, so why he feels the need to "grace" us with his presence...who knows...meebo also offers some nice chat rooms for people to talk in.

at any rate, i've made it a point to go after the "cabal" players in-game whenever i can. i suggest others do the same.
skrumgaer wrote
at 7:42 PM, Tuesday July 3, 2007 EDT
rnd:

I am not sure I understand your question. Someone in an earlier post in this thread mentioned Lance Armstrong. Is he an example of what you are asking about?

In NASCAR racing the drivers are given points for place of finish and for laps led. Because of the dangerousness of the sport, "meta racing" would likely be frowned upon. Another example of life-threatening conspiracies.
rnd_ wrote
at 9:27 PM, Tuesday July 3, 2007 EDT
infizzle: i'll just put that on the back burner here.

skrum: really i'm looking for evidence that this is a natural progression in any game like this. i don't know that it exists, or if there is evidence that it is clearly not a natural progression. from my point of view, the rank game (what was created by the changes earlier in the year) changes things alot. You could look at it like 'games' now span an entire month, and allying likewise, spans more than a single game.. the goal is no longer to win a single game, but to win the most games at the highest level possible. The dynamics are completely changed -- how can you go about playing the game the same way?



skrumgaer wrote
at 10:53 PM, Tuesday July 3, 2007 EDT
The natural progression that you are looking for is the same kind of natural progression that causes Tonya Harding to improve the odds in her favor against Nancy Kerrigan; that rules are for ordinary people but not for those who are better.

I will be off for the next 24 hours to celebrate my nation's independence.
_rnd wrote
at 12:58 AM, Wednesday July 4, 2007 EDT
lol.

why all the allusions to physical violence?

happy 4th to you too.
CoMik wrote
at 5:40 AM, Wednesday July 4, 2007 EDT
I have decided that DoND and Xica are the same person...
@Skrum: Ryan has looked into team playing already, but you have to remember that that doesn't stop individual competitions from having team's, just gives another place to war. Also, these things take time to implement.

@Xica: Why are they being punished? As much as they have bent the rules, nothing was "wrong". Ryan has taken all the measures he most likely will, no punishments will be made for past actions...
@leek: 35 Stars > 25 Stars
MCiGGzy wrote
at 8:42 AM, Wednesday July 4, 2007 EDT
I agree with aixo 100%
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