Ryan,

Quick question: what algorithm do you use for the ELO portion of the rating. Might have been asking 100 times. Just curious.

RYAN = GREAT GAME

I can't believe people have the temerity to moan at you, for any reason. It's a free game that thousands of people play regularly and enjoy.

Don't take any notice, we'll all adjust soon enough. If there are a couple of casualties along the way then that's evolution!!!

Thanks for putting it on-line.

I'm fine with this change, but there is no reason for a third place player to score lower than a fourth place because of dominate points, readjust this, please.

Are the old scoreboards going to be preserved for posterity.

I'm not that bothered as I only got to 1699 and current is mid-1500's.

However, had I got to 2000+ I would like it recorded somewhere...

My problem with the new system is one that's been touched upon multiple times by people, the one who suicides in the beginning when they get a bad setup, looses hardly any points, while someone who gets a bad start, gets unlucky a few times, but manages to hang in there to get 2nd or 3rd place ultimately looses points or gains very few.

Ryan, the reason people are saying it's more luck than strategy now is because while luck could effect you adversely before, it was limited, and when you fell into a bad situation you could often pull yourself out and even win. Now if you try that same series of techniques, you're screwing yourself, and gaining nothing for the extra effort other that what the 6th and 7th players, which spent the majority of the game away, got. Self preservation is no longer the strategic goal, rather it's a large orchestrated death should you not appear to be coming out on top.

Ok, I've tested the new rules, and yes, they are pretty rubbish. I appreciate the fact that you want to make kdice better, but the rules/scoring was fine the way it was. Sometimes people want to make things so fancy and better, that it ends up becomming worse. I know its a bit extreme but I don't think I'm going to play kdice as much unless the rules are reverted back, I just don't find it as fun anymore. But its a great game, don't turn your back on it!

the new game and scoring sytem are worse
to get a normal score people just spread with no starategy
as been said by other players survive at all cost is no longer valid u rather spred and die then get a bad score for the avarge dominance

IMO the new rating system is better than the old one.
Also I think that you don't have to change your strategie.
Nobody really knows how to handle the domination rating.

Everybody thinks he/she has to attack more to get a better AS.
But domination was already part of the old kdice: try to get bigger to get 1st or 2nd.
But there was another strategie: do nothing and ally with the big guys. Most people think
that this is unfair cause these players don't deserve 2nd and with the new rating system
these alliances are punished. The problem is that everyone concentrates on the domination rating
which is useless. If you have the opportunity to get 1st, 2nd or 3rd
you don't have to attack more than usual because it's just a "I take two
lands you take two lands" game which makes you weak. And you don't get more
domination points for it. I know that everyone will be in a situation where
he has only one land. It makes still no sense to make a suicide attack.
You can try to survive to get more points for the rating adjustment 1.
When you are the smallest you don't have to worrie that you lose even more points
if you stay alive and even if there is a player with a smaller AS: if you die
you domination rating is two or three points higher but the other rating
is three or four points lower.It is still the best strategie to ally with 1st.
You won't get a high domination rating cause you can't get many territories
so your only chance to get at least some +points is to finish 2nd. With
the new system nobody can say this is unfair cause you don't gain many
points and the others don't lose many points.

Some players say it is more luck involved if you attack more. I think it IS more
luck if players try to attack equal stacks but this strategie will lose
cause the chance of winning these rolls are less than 50%. If players just attack
smaller stacks but attack as much as possible the game is not more about
luck, it is just more chaotic because you don't know how the new dice are placed
and you don't know how the others behave in this situation.
Maybe you think the games are stupid now because everybody use the "attack attack attack"
strategie. It is very easy to beat these players by playing very conservative.
I think the phoenix players will agree that this is the best strategie.
All in all I have to say: It's a new rating system and not a new game

One thing to add: Don't say I'm wrong if you don't understand the new system.

See you at the 1900 tables next week. ;-) pTm

Hello Ryan,

Can you read the ideas forum? It would be nice that before reseting the scores to 1500, you gave medals for the first 100 hundred in the classification of the old score. Similar like you do with GPOKR.

Thank you.

I change my previous statement, the changes are AWFUL!